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I am drooling over the Heritage auction for up coming FUN show and I see lots of lots of ms/au coins that goes hundreds of years back in to the history. How is it possible that these coins were well preserved all this time ? How they survived all this time without handling ? Perhaps there were coin collectors back then ?

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I would guess that there where collectors then. I read somewhere that collecting coins first started with the kings and queens. Which makes sense since they would have been most likely to afford saving coins for their desire. It's also likely that some coins where put some place like a safe or hiding spot and forgotten about until discovered many years later.
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There have been coin collectors for as long as there have been coins. That far back, probably well into the Nineteenth Century, those collectors would have been the well-heeled who could afford the highest quality furniture and living conditions. This, in turn, provided the best possible environment for the long-term preservation of coins. I am quite sure there are coins which have passed exclusively through the hands of dedicated collectors for three continuous millenia.
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 Posted 11/28/2014  02:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Henry M Smith to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The coins could have also survived by a hoarder, who hid them away.
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ALthough there are no known collections dating back beyond AD 1200, collecting in its modern form began in the Renaissance. In the 1300s, Petrarch wrote enthusiastically on the subject, making it fashionable among the Italian aristocracy. From there, it spread to the rest of Europe.

Most of the really nice-looking large European coins from the 1500s that survive to today were preserved in collections.
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Yes, the higher denominations have often been hoarded. Just like some people now hoard precious metal bars.
And also yes, many of the aristocracy and rich people prided themselves to have a "Münzkabinett" (coin collection) containing more valuable or rare pieces.
Some of those collection became the basis for museum collections.
Different to the USA where there are only a few museum which have a (substantial) coin collection, many European museums even smaller ones have a coin collection. And to make room or just to make needed money, museums sell off surplus stock.
Here the picture of the "Münzkabinett" of one of the museums in Berlin:

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From http://www.smb.museum/en/museums-an...tt/home.html
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Now *that's* a collection.
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ALthough there are no known collections dating back beyond AD 1200, collecting in its modern form began in the Renaissance. In the 1300s,

May not be true. I started collecting long before that.

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Here the picture of the "Münzkabinett" of one of the museums in Berlin:

Good grief. Someone else had my idea.
Actually one of the reasons some coins pop up looking so new when they could be well into the hundreds of years is due to China. They, and a few other places, just make them again and again.
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As bad as counterfeiting is to the legacy of some coins, one wonders how many museums, collections, hoards, Münzkabinetts, etc. have been lost to the ravages of time, nature, and mankind. Think of the tsunami in Japan a few years back, or Katrina, or Sandy, or 9/11, or the WWII bombings that destroyed many of Europe's oldest cities, or major thefts where priceless coins have never been recovered.

I realize this takes the topic into the exact opposite direction. I've created a new thread here:

https://goccf.com/t/191557

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Thanks everyone Very informative . Any museums or collections that can be browse online ?
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US National Numismatic Collection is online http://americanhistory.si.edu/numismatics/

Beebee US Currency Collection http://www.ana-museum.org/intro.html

Notre Dame Coin and Currency Collection http://www.coins.nd.edu/

British Museum http://www.britishmuseum.org/resear.../search.aspx (keyword coin)

British Museum related content: http://www.britishmuseum.org/about_...t&PageId=847

Nevada State Museum http://museums.nevadaculture.org/dm...bitsinfo.pdf

Los Angeles County Museum of Art http://collections.lacma.org/search/site/coins?f

American Numismatic Society http://numismatics.org/search/

I'm sure there are others, but here are a few I found.
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There's a somewhat infamous story of some very high grade 1790s large cent accidentally found in Switzerland by a dealer. The story goes that some guy from Switzerland went to the US way back then, then for some reason returned and brought the coin, which had then remained in the family for nearly two centuries (until bought by the dealer).

I won't be surprised if there are some coins around that were kept similarly for even longer (though probably not quite all the way since antiquity).

I do always wonder where does the known legend come from on all the 5th century Roman bronzes - they never seem to come up with any major amounts of legend remaining. Apparently it's a combination of three things: 1) examples with some readable legend do appear often enough to read the legend by combining known parts; 2) in some cases we can guess by similarity to known legends; and 3) for some later coins - of Zeno in particular - the legend is indeed not known fully.
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Here the picture of the "Münzkabinett" of one of the museums in Berlin:


WOW! Now that is one heck of a collection and storage room.
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