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1797 Large Cent 'No Stems' New Purchase......

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 Posted 12/09/2014  09:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Lovely planchet and a decent strike. Color seems spot on. The "polishing" seems too evenly spread; it may well be lacquer. If you're comfortable with the use of acetone, have a go and see if that "polishing" will come off. I see nothing about the coin which would preclude a decision to soak it. May not help, but it won't hurt.
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 Posted 12/09/2014  09:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pawpaw34 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Very nice!!!!!
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SsDave.....I don't beieve it's lacquer because there's defintely a difference of color in between high points of the coin.

Look at the fields in between the letters and right next to the edge of Liberty's profile.

Polishing would not get right into these areas, whereas lacquer would.

What do you think about this?

Also, when I tilt the coin and reflect light in one direction, the coin becomes highly reflective and takes on a bluish rainbow'esque' color.
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Kinda looks like somebody rubbed it between their thumb and finger. Rubbed the high points.
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 Posted 12/09/2014  11:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MorganGrader to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My initial thought was that it was at one point, cleaned. Still an exquisite example of a rarity, both in terms of planchet quality and strike, if not original. Lacquering is a definite possibility given the age.

I'd net grade it VF20.
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 Posted 12/09/2014  12:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You're the final judge, of course. I based my suggestion solely on how I'm seeing the coin's highlights reflecting directly. The edges of the letters and devices reflecting into the lens are too even in quality, suggesting to me that there's a very even unoriginal finish on the coin. Maybe polishing, but it would take a brisk polishing indeed to get a finish that evenly reflective. So, a good chance to me that it's lacquer instead.

Based on only two images, of course.
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 Posted 12/10/2014  11:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Super find and cherry pick on this beauty!
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Fantastic LC, congrats!
I agree that it would be an EAC F and TPG VF. I like the color and believe that the "polishing" may just be a finger and thumb application of Blue Ribbon or other similar product. In which case it has plenty on company and does not bother my liking of the coin:)
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Her's a pictures taken at a low angle that shows the blue color and the reflective surface.

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A really fantastic coin.
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Update--Jan. 17th.

Graded by NGC as 1797 no stems S-143 VF details (cleaning).

Overall, I'm pleased as it's the result I expected.

Too bad the VF grade isn't more specific, but I believe this coin is closer to a 40 than a 20, so it probably is a vf30 or vf35.
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 Posted 01/17/2015  11:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Scropper to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wonderful!

And you've touched on one of the things I don't like about the current Sheldon scale - the grade "VF" encompasses a large number of points. It would be nice if the 30 grades had their own distinct name - Quite Fine sounds rather English, doesn't it? Plus collectors would have a "blast" with their QF coins.

Oh dear.

But in all seriousness, that sounds good to me! Sadly, when it's time to sell you'll have imbeciles trying to call it a 20 net X. As it's a scarce enough variety, you'll be able to stick to your guns and be patient. I think an EAC auction may be the way to go for that one, rather than Heritage or one of the other big names.
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