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1752 Madrid ½ Real, Maybe Not Real?

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It wouldn't seem to be terribly profitable to counterfeit these, either when they were circulating or as a very modestly priced collectible in the present day, but perhaps that's what this is, as it's seriously underweight at 1.35 grams.

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It looks cast. The obverse looks pretty good but the reverse is covered with bubbles.
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the verdigris suggests it's not silver --> fake real.
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Here's mine -


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I would like to comment not so much on the coin but rather on one comment.


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It wouldn't seem to be terribly profitable to counterfeit these, either when they were circulating or as a very modestly priced collectible in the present day,...


That is often the prevailing opinion but it is incorrect. This coin is not a contemporary circulating counterfeit because it is actually too nice a design to have been produced without transfer. However, in 1752 a silver 1/2 reale was a lot of money. Remember hundreds of industrious counterfeiters were making halfpennies and farthings at that time.

In the 1850s there were Mexican 1/4 reales made for circulation and 1/2 reales were VERY numerous.

In 1893 there was a plague of counterfeit US cents.

In the 1950s Francis Henning made money forging nickels.

As a Numismatic forgery - the profits are much higher. The cost to make a 1/2 reale using a transfer die would be far less than 10 cents and the result would sell for $10.

So never believe a coin would not be counterfeited because it was of too little a value. If the coin is made it is forged.
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Point taken, Robert. I concur that anything that's the least bit collectible is subject to forgery in today's world, and in times past as well whenever there was any profit to doing so.

My thought on this particular piece is that from the appearance of the back side, I think it may well have once been in a jewelry mounting of some sort - a ring perhaps, or a petite pendant, maybe sold at some Caribbean or Mediterranean resort. It's not magnetic, nor so far as I can tell, plated. The edge actually looks to be of the proper sort, if you were allowing for its being worn down from circulation. I think it's debased silver in composition, but I'm probably not going to test that thesis, what would be the point?
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