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Is There A Difference In Spread On Doubled Dies?

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The difference in spread of doubled dies can be great in spread/separation between the multiple hubbings. On the copper coins site you can see they are graded between 1-5 stars. The five star rating is the strongest. They vary in the number of devices affected, the spread differences and lack of spreads. Here are a few examples. Note description terms for the dies:

Five star ratings; Description terms: Extremely strong:

http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/...ie_state=eds
http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/...ie_state=eds
http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/...ie_state=mds

Four star rating: Description terms: Very strong:

http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/...ie_state=mds
http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/...ie_state=mds
http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/...ie_state=eds

Three star ratings: Description terms: Strong secondary, Nice doubling
http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/...ie_state=eds
http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/...ie_state=lds
http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/...ie_state=mds
http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/...ie_state=mds
http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/...ie_state=eds
http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/...ie_state=eds
http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/...ie_state=eds
http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/...ie_state=eds
http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/...ie_state=mds

Two Star ratings; Description terms: Nicely doubled, Light spread

http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/...ie_state=mds
http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/...ie_state=mds
http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/...ie_state=mds
http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/...ie_state=mds
http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/...ie_state=mds

One star ratings; Description terms; Medium spread (Just a few devices affected), light spread, minor notching:

http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/...ie_state=mds
http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/...ie_state=mds
http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/...ie_state=mds
http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/...ie_state=mds

So doubled dies can also be rated as for strength and spread. I've mentioned many times about doubled dies that were too minor to list. These would be showing less doubling than the examples provided. On most of these you would see very minor notching. We see a lot of these on proof coins. Some so minor you just see them in the scope, but even the camera can't record them. (Then you know it is too small to list.)

Again, thanks to coppercoins.com as it helps us learn a bit more of the hobby we love!
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Very informative,thanks coop.
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Coop, nice heads up, with examples.

Thought I'd share a link to a previous post from a few years ago. I coincidently ran across earlier today while doing other research on CCF.

As you describe here, you and coppercoins commented on the star system and how it applies to hub doubling. He adds it also applies to mintmark varieties as well. Thanks, Doug.

https://goccf.com/t/98064


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Coppercoins Posted 09/15/2011
question about "Coppercoins" website (stars legend)

It's not just for hub doubling - it works with mintmark varieties as well.

I developed this system back in 2001 as a method of sorting the more visible die varieties from those with only minor visibility. Basically (and very basically) I defined them as the following:

5 stars - Only the most major, very naked eye visible dies get this.
4 stars - naked eye visible, not as earth shattering as 5 stars. A non collector could still identify something odd with the coin.
3 stars - obvious to the lay-person that something is going on with little magnification, but may need explanation of what they see.
2 stars - minor, needs at least a 5x loupe for easy identification - OR - something minor with more than one pick up point.
1 star - minor, yet identifiable under 10x magnification.

Anything that takes more than a 10x loupe to see isn't listed.

The stars have nothing to do with rarity or value - it's all about how easy they are to see.

Rarity and value are handled in price guides.

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Good info gents.
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Real good, very nice info. Thank you.
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John1 brought up the question and it was a good one. Most of the time we think the doubled dies are the same. But the trained eye spots the little differences. Just like the 1972 & 2006 doubled dies are plentiful, a trained eye spots the differences to see how they are different. Many had a hard time with the 1972P-1DO-003 and 008. I found a difference on the shape of the "S" on TRUST
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and went by that, until I noted the differences on the date on the loop of the "2".
Is-There-A-Difference-In-Spread-On-Doubled-Dies?
After I figured this one out, it made ID'n them a lot easier. There is a lot of differences in the spreads. But always to find the quick find on that one.
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