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Neat Counterfeit 1845 Mexico 8 Reals

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 Posted 12/12/2014  1:28 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add jdmern to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Came across this in a collection I recently purchased, neat off metal piece, wish it had been a genuine one though!



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It appears the silver is plated or can be electro-deposited - I recently got an education on this - the electro-deposited types look like the silver is brushed on whereas the plated types like the Bust Type Sheffields Type 1 have the surface peeling - obviously under your copper core host coin.

I recently purchased a stereo microscope to aid me in this differentiation.

Nice!

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The date of 1845 puts this one just outside the Riddell range of dates. The type is likely post Civil War (ca 1860 or later) based on the way it appears to have been made. I agree with John that it is too late for and does not resemble Sheffield Plate.

It could be an electroplate or even a thin silver amalgam - however, I suspect something else might be the case because of the rest of the surface. The coin looks like one of the stripped cores that was thrown away after being stripped of the silver coating using electro-chemical means. These "cores" were first placed on the market shortly after they were discovered in the mid 1990's. At the time I bought 100 of them from the person who discovered them and they are characterized by a similar look - the gray pasty area and the eroded copper. I have yet to get an XRF of one of the type but I plan to before my next planned book. I suspect there was an alternative form of plating with a material that resembled silver but was not removed as actual silver would have been.

Nice coin though. In my opinion given the choice between this coin and a genuine 1845 Go 8R in this same condition - you got the BETTER of the deal.
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its funny how it has wear yet its fake. Mexico is absolutely filled with fake coins, there's just sooo much of them down there. When I went to Mexico I was scouring the sides of streets for a good thing to buy and I found a bowl of silver dollar coins and they were all FAKES! I did not tell the seller that I knew and I asked him how much for one and he said $25.00. he said he was from Manitoba and was obviously not but I got one for $10.00.
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Normic67 A counterfeit with "wear" is actually rather normal. A counterfeiter wants his coins to look worn but not badly worn so that no attention is drawn to the coin at all. So the dies are made at times without deep details. The wear and toning is artificial. Stories abound about how to do this - one of the most common is burying the coin in horse manure for a period of time.

I have never tried that - I have severe allergies to horses.
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