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1881-O Morgan Dollar [not My Coin] [revealed]

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I would say MS 68 or 69, but like vermontensium I'm worried about that thing on the lower neck...
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I would say MS 68 or 69, but like vermontensium I'm worried about that thing on the lower neck...


I'm thinking the law of averages says that's just a frost break. The rest of the coin is absolutely pristine - obviously it's been preserved carefully since mintage and one wouldn't expect such a coin to encounter a ding of that size.

We're going to need the OP to reveal; this isn't an 1881-O as in the initial post.
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Okay guys. It's actually a doctored coin picture of an MS69 PCGS 1881-S coin. Found on their photograde website. Knowing that, would you have given mine a 70?

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I would not have given it a 70. The strike is incomplete over the ear and in the cotton bolls, and I suspect I'd find similar on the reverse. Chances are those two small marks in front of the nose are enough on their own to disqualify it.

70 is theoretical perfection. Not only must the surfaces be absolutely unmarred, the strike must be as complete as a flawless die is capable of striking. This one falls short of that strike quality, and I suspect it's the reason why PCGS only gave it a 69.
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I would not have given it a 70. The strike is incomplete over the ear and in the cotton bolls, and I suspect I'd find similar on the reverse. Chances are those two small marks in front of the nose are enough on their own to disqualify it.

70 is theoretical perfection. Not only must the surfaces be absolutely unmarred, the strike must be as complete as a flawless die is capable of striking. This one falls short of that strike quality, and I suspect it's the reason why PCGS only gave it a 69.


^^^ this. And my personal thoughts, on a circulation strike (IMHO) a 70 grade doesn't exist, there is no absolute, 100% "perfect". And on proofs it should be the standard, not something to pay a premium for.. Uugh... Can you tell my feelings on 70's? Lol.

But on a side note, amazing coin, I knew it as soon as I saw it..... Though your description threw me off a bit, lol
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Yup, I can still see the most subtle of flaws. A 70 would have to be absolutely pristine with not a whisper of a speck.
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