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denco7 Pillar of the Community United States 2543 Posts	Posted 12/31/2014 9:26 pm Quote: HSN is preselling them at 200.00 a pop... All I can say is wow... that is way over priced. SPOILERS Now you spoiled it, I have their New Years extravaganza recording on the DVR while I watch Miss St and Ga. Tech in the Orange Bowl. Edited by denco7 12/31/2014 9:27 pm Report this Post to the Staff
Foxwoods Man Pillar of the Community United States 4901 Posts	Posted 01/01/2015 08:13 am A few comments: This thread started with a question about proof 70 ASE's and went to MS70 bullion and back to proof so I have no clue which comments refer to what item. I will continue with this confusion The stats on the MS70 bullion prove the fact of how common they are...one 2014 sold for $43 yesterday with free shipping. Re: 2014 PF70's...NGC graded around 39k and 29k of those were 70's..not a rare grade and appropriate since it is a collector coin. 2014 NGC70 pf's sell for around $80-90 so HSN markup is a tad over the top but normal for them. Milk spots most definitely affect grading and NO coin submitted with them will ever grade 70. PCGS and NGC had their grade guarantee I had many coins with spots get bought back or exchanged by NGC because they no longer were grade appropriate... Milk spots do NOT need any kind of magnification unless you are getting to the molecular level and trying to see them before they become obvious. The TPG's have no clue what is causing the spotting and at one time had offered $50k for ANYONE who could give them an answer...no one did..and they dropped their grade guarantee. All the reasons given are theories.. Here's my 2006 20th Anniversary reverse proof (not a cheap coin)...get out your magnifiers (coin angled to better image spots): Edited by Foxwoods Man 01/01/2015 08:14 am Report this Post to the Staff
SsuperDdave Moderator United States 23522 Posts	Posted 01/01/2015 1:37 pm No need for magnification. What kind of arrogance does it take to sell something as "collectible" when you know there's a chance your chosen procedure will make that coin non-colectible down the road? The Mint has known about this for years and I refuse to believe there's only one wash formulation that works. Report this Post to the Staff
Buddy Rest in Peace United States 7075 Posts	Posted 01/01/2015 2:03 pm Gees, it's a shame about that coin. What happens when the milk spots get really old...like 10 or 20 years old? Do they change at all or continue to 'grow'? It kind of makes me want to crack mine out of their mint cases and rinse them off -- but I won't. Report this Post to the Staff
SsuperDdave Moderator United States 23522 Posts	Posted 01/01/2015 2:45 pm Wouldn't matter - you'd have to "rinse" with acid. Once spotted, such a coin is done for good. Report this Post to the Staff
The Silver Searcher Pillar of the Community United States 1390 Posts	Posted 01/01/2015 2:46 pm So acetone wouldn't do anything? Report this Post to the Staff
Foxwoods Man Pillar of the Community United States 4901 Posts	Posted 01/01/2015 3:02 pm Acetone won't do anything after the fact but there are some who believe that it would help if used prior to grading. No evidence to back it up but it wouldn't hurt.... I have never figured out why the huge 5 once silver bullion pucks do not have huge reports of milk spots...there must be something different done with the process of both and it should be an obvious fix Report this Post to the Staff
stampvirgin Pillar of the Community United States 1247 Posts	Posted 01/01/2015 7:22 pm denco7.. well, no spoiler, because I got the price wrong... the true spoiler is they were selling them in PF70 ANACS for 94.99 Report this Post to the Staff
Podoprigora Pillar of the Community United States 588 Posts	Posted 01/02/2015 09:02 am Quote: Milk spots most definitely affect grading and NO coin submitted with them will ever grade 70. PCGS and NGC had their grade guarantee I had many coins with spots get bought back or exchanged by NGC because they no longer were grade appropriate... Dont know too much about grading but this is what happens when a coin no longer matches the grade? They are bought back? Report this Post to the Staff
Conder101 Bedrock of the Community United States 17884 Posts	Posted 01/02/2015 10:09 am Quote: What happens when the milk spots get really old...like 10 or 20 years old? They become cheese spots. Quote: Dont know too much about grading but this is what happens when a coin no longer matches the grade? They are bought back? Used to, but now coins that have gone bad in the holder after grading (developed spots, stains etc) are no longer covered by the grade guarantees. So you are stuck with them. Quote: I have never figured out why the huge 5 once silver bullion pucks do not have huge reports of milk spots...there must be something different done with the process of both and it should be an obvious fix If the cause is actually improper rinsing of the wash solution then it might be as simple as the 5 oz pieces get a more through careful rinsing. They can do that because the number of 5 oz coins is much smaller than the number of ASE's. Might also be a difference in the care provided in the production of the planchets for the 1 oz and 5 oz pieces depending on whether or not both of them are produced by the same manufacturer. (I don't know if they are or not.) Report this Post to the Staff
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