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New Coin Found From A Garage Grading Company

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cant say I have heard of this one
http://www.ebay.com/itm/CANADA-1891...em58bb5352d6
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Seriously? Try a search here in CCF with the keyword, "Centles"...
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Avoid like the plague...
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 Posted 12/23/2014  10:28 pm  Show Profile   Check Pacificoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Pacificoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
NNC? uuuuuuummmmmmmmmm is that National Numismatic Criminals Grading service ? Agree with JD avoid big time ! That said there was a fluke about ten years ago where I bought a dime lot from them and there was amongst all the junk a wonderful 1932 that came back an ICCS 62. Just being fair !
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Interesting thread comments here..

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Centsles is Bob Johnson, a former finalist in the PCGS World Series of Grading who chose the Dark Side. He's a basement slabber (NNC)

https://goccf.com/t/183995
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When the fine print is more detailed than the Seller's description then you better run far away as fast as you can!
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Checking negative feedback just makes my jaw drop. a***o spent $21279 on 6 coins from this seller (and apparently refused delivery on all of them based on a previous coin). What kind of person has that kind of money to throw at a seller they obviously didn't research? But obviously with 165k transactions centsles is the ebay untouchable.
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Small Leaves. Small Letters. A subtle difference....
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On the PCGS forums, people posted several occasions where this seller has purchased PCGS and NGC slabbed problem coins (cleaned, repaired, etc) at online auctions, broke them out, reslabbed them with his own NNC slabs as problem-free coins, and resold them on ebay for a nice profit.
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Regardless what he calls them or how he overly inflates the grades (usually 10-20 pts high), he does have some nice coins that you can sometimes get at bargain prices. He also doesn't know varieties, so many scarce items go out on ebay undescribed. If you do as every expert will tell you to do: "Buy the coin, not the description", then you are OK to deal with this person. Centsles's reputation is actually quite good for the intelligent buyer. People have been warned off him for the last 5 years on any number of sites, so knowlegeable collectors can sometimes some very nice low-hanging fruit.
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I've also been happy with my purchases but I buy the coin and not the slab/grade.
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1.29 would be a good deal if you have a counterfeit collection!
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Buy the coin and not the holder! Heard that around here many times. Best thing we can do is educate the brand new collectors to not take for granted grade of a coin based on any holder whether ICCS or any basement grader.
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The coin is not a fake, just cleaned, mis-ID'd and overgraded. He just doesn't now that the "L" stands for leaves.
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A bit off the topic of the OP coin but continuing with the noted refused delivery feedback, http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISA...=negative_30The 1893-S Morgan that hammered at $5,913 is clearly a problem coin. It was the subject of a recent thread here on CCF.https://goccf.com/t/192167&SearchTerms=1893-S
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