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I picked up an 1864 L Indian cent that has a nice strike on 60% of the coin and you can barely see "STATES" the bow on the rev is also weak. It was graded XF-40 and it just did not look right. Anyway I busted it out and scaled it. Its a solid 3.14 grams, and the coin has no collar marks on about 80% of the rim. It has a very faint and I mean "Faint collar line in the center of the 20%. It looks to be about 1 mm out of round as well with about 35% of the center of the plancet showing lamination lines or faults. It is also a Snow 2 Doubled date. The coin looks UNC with the weakest top strike I have ever seen.       Edited by twohawks
12/27/2014 02:39 am
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Very cool coin!
"Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440 |
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Hello,
What is the aberration called in the last photo shown above?
What process actually caused this particular indentation to form?
I am referring to the irregular crack-like feature located on the left side of the white piece of lint.
Is this anything special to be make note of when searching for this type of coin?
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That is a lamination line. Lamination is normally seen as a small piece of metal separating on the field side of a coin. Its where the planchet has dirt or impurities inside the planchet. This is the 1st coin that I have come across where 2 area's on the edge have a lamination but the field sides are free and clear.
PS on the side by side shots the coin on the viewer right is a normal cent with a collar, you can see the difference.
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12/27/2014 08:22 am
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Very nice! Is the fourth picture showing the coin is slightly out of round or oversized?
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Yes Dave, It's not much but at this size it would not fit into a "normal collar" The EF-40 grade is what twisted my lid a bit, talk about under grade!  Edited by twohawks
12/27/2014 09:10 am
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Where are they finding EF40 on the bottom two feathers or the top of the wreath? What a copout. "We grade what it looks like (sorta), not what it is."
My first thinking before I saw the rim was a way-out-of-alignment trial strike. And I'm still wondering if that degree of misalignment allowed the collar to bounce. I don't know how firmly the collar sat in place.
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As both area's of "soft strike" are in line top to bottom of each other. As well as the faint collar line I have come to the conclusion that it can't be a misaligned die. That is only seen on one side of a coin, based on all the misaligned strike I have seen. I bought it to study more then anything, I have never seen this type of strike before. It's a catch and release coin Edited by twohawks
12/27/2014 12:41 pm
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Sweet little coin...  ...grease filled die or tapered planchet ?  Oregon coin geek.....*** GO BEAVS ! ! ! ***
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To even to be a Grease Filled Die, and a tapered die would be under weight not over. Based on the fact its not round I would say the coin was struck in the ejection position almost fully up. Where the part of the collar die that was exposed kind of held the planchet in place and where there was no collar the metal was pushed out. Kind of a tweener between a Broad strike & tilted collar. |
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Just going by the pics, didn't read the thread.
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Yeah, I'm following you on that, Russ. Thanks. Do you know if they used the Morgan & Orr presses on smaller coins, or some other?
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I am not sure Dave, I just had found it to be an interesting coin when I saw it. It was pricey for an EF 40 but not so much for a Snow-2 in AU-50. The coin is way better then an AU-50 so now that I am done doing my investigation. Well its going back to the wild. The Cert was 5188939 I will not post the name of the company but it had a yellow holder  They are by far the hardest grading companies on copper coins. |
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I'm thinking broadstrike and out of parallel dies.
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