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Is This A Die Clash? With Grease Error.

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Is-This-A-Die-Clash?--With-Grease-Error.

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Is-This-A-Die-Clash?--With-Grease-Error.

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Found this roll searching today. Obverse has the grease error. Reverse in memorial has I think die clash? Or punch through?
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The obverse looks like a VLDS and not a Greaser to me. The reverse some say it is a die clash,which is what I think and others say a die anomaly.
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Ok, at this point I will classify it as a die clash. The reason I said grease error is because of liberty. The L starts out small and
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Sorry accidently hit reply. The word gets larger and larger until "TY" wich are bod like normal. I will get a clear pic. For you. Thanks John1
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Is-This-A-Die-Clash?--With-Grease-Error.

I'm guessing it has something to do with these areas.

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I think it's mostly a worn die obverse and reverse. I see ghosting on the reverse. Lets wait for coop to chime in.
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On a grease partial fill the devices get widened. These are thinned. So it would not be a Grease Fill error. But when the devices are narrowed, then you have an over polishing that thins the devices. So the field on that area of the die was worked over to reduce the width of the devices. Here is an example:
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Note how the outside of the devices were thinned because of the die abrasion?
So That is what I feel is going on with this coin. The 1973 die pressure was very strong and the rims are taller this year than other years. The reverse die is VLDS. You can see the die flow from the devices on the AMERICA next to rim. So if the obverse die was over polished to remove the previous die clashes. Thus the excess polishing that altered the bays on reverse. So it is an over polished/VLDS die. Savable if you are want an example of an over polished die. Now if some devices were missing totally, some would be all over it, but not me. I prefer EDS coins myself.
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Ok, just to make sure I understood, the lifted portions in the bays and around the building are not a clash, but only caused by over polishing? Thanks
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There may have been several clashes during its life, but the polishings help widen the die wear. Most of the time you see the line in the third bay instead of the second bay. The events that happen during a clash for the 1st and 2nd bays are usually the TY from liberty from the obverse die.
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The polishing removed the separation of the bays.
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Here's more information on your die defect:

http://www.coinworld.com/insights/e...e-error.html
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Interesting. Thanks Mike, and Coop.
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