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I found this one in change recently. Is this a capped die or just a beat up cent?

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not a capped die but this could be struck through a late stage, thinning die cap, no expert so wait on them to chime in please.
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 Posted 01/02/2015  7:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Struck through capped die cent.
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Coop, thanks for all of your comments to all of my posts and so many others. I have learned a lot from you over time.
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nice coin!
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It is a capped die coin. Note the roundness next to the obverse rims. That shows that it was not the edge of the die that formed that, but the capped edge of the die. Reverse is always normal. This is what the die cap would look like when they fall off:
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The OP's coin is struck through the capped die on the obverse.
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I thought the struck through was the capped die striking the OP's coin but then I guess that would be a Brockage, why do they call it strike through instead of just capped die then. I own a "capped die coin" and a "struck through capped die coin", my struck through looks just like the OP's and my capped die looks just like a beat up bottle cap, why the different names if they are the same...but look allot different?
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Cool find indeed!
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In case I missed your earlier posts:
I guess the term struck through usually denotes a smaller blockage. Grease, oil, water, wood, cloth, wire, staples, thread, plastic, plating, die pieces, laminations can get in the way during a strike.

But when the die is capped it is a major event.

A brockage I always picture as another coin/coins preventing a full strike. So probably because of different events happening, thus the different names. Just my observation.
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Loco: Guess what? I used your images edited to make an addition to my image collection on how to identify a capped die strike.
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The coin leading off this thread is a generic "capped die strike". It was struck through a late-stage die cap whose working face was worn smooth from the striking of many previous planchets. There's no way to tell what sort of designs (if any) the die cap was striking in its earlier stages. A brockage would require the presence of incuse, mirror-image design elements.

Coop's coin labeled "deep cap cent" is probably not a die cap. It is probably the product of a single strike. A cent planchet struck out-of-collar on top of another planchet struck out-of-collar will curl up toward the hammer die in just this fashion. The clarity of the brockage indicates that it did not strike a second planchet and did not produce a counterbrockage, which is a requirement of a die cap.

Not all cupped coins are die caps, while not all die caps show cupping.
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Thanks Mike, I'll edit that.
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Coop, I feel honored to be able to add to your extensive photo collection.
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It was the best image to show the effect on the obverse. Thanks.
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wow what a nice coin!

great find!
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I thought the struck through was the capped die striking the OP's coin but then I guess that would be a Brockage, why do they call it strike through instead of just capped die then. I own a "capped die coin" and a "struck through capped die coin", my struck through looks just like the OP's and my capped die looks just like a beat up bottle cap, why the different names if they are the same...but look allot different?


Your coin was struck through a die cap, meaning that it was struck by a capped die. When describing these errors , proper terminology is important. Calling this a die cap would be wrong. Additionally, a "struck through capped die error" would be wrongly describing the error and is extremely confusing. Unfortunately this term is commonly incorrectly used on this forum to describe this error type.
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