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any ideas what happened on this coin.

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It looks like the first steps toward an arrested lamination of the planchet, after striking.
It may well be impossible to mechanically pick these flakes off, however.
Laminations usually come about by impuritues falling on the surface of the strip of coin metal during the rolling process, then being rolled in.
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it was somewhere in the war!!
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I think this is what Hans Zoell called 'mortar set. The mint started to chrome plate dies in 1942 to lengthen die life. Where the chrome plating was starting to chip off, these are the resulting marks struck into the blank. This is noticeable on many coins struck during the war, another result of dies being used up to and beyond their life.

1944 50 cent with mortar set

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Another possibility is that the chromium plating on the dies was flaking off (notice that they are only on the fields, and not the devices). Hans Zoell first observed this in coins starting in 1942 (when the RCM first starting plating the dies?), and he called this phenomena "mortar set". (try a Google search on that term for coins).

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I guess we were typing our replies at the same time... and you were the first one to hit the <Post New Reply> button....



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i agree impurities rolled into the metal..mortar set.
Here's some more

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You sometimes find these on George VI 1-cent coins too. So far, I have found them on 1944, 1947 and 1950 dates.
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SPP, are you meaning like this one, I'm on the fence on this one at it being lamination peel or corrosion. Perhaps leaning more too corrosion?



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That is corrosion...
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Similar type of corrosion on this 1884 LC, but it I took a pencil eraser to it and it cleaned it up but took a long time. I was experimenting..
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"You sometimes find these on George VI 1-cent coins too. So far, I have found them on 1944, 1947 and 1950 dates." - SPP

I've also found them on 1942 and 1943 as well... and the inner ear "1/2 moon" clash above the large bud from 1946 shows the same effect on some coins.
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