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1793 Chain Cent S4 MS-66 BN PCGS CAC Breaks Sales Records

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http://coins.ha.com/itm/large-cents....s?x=26&y=11

$2,350,000.00 including the juice, WOW!

Sold at the FUN Show at public auction bidding started at $1.00 breaks all copper coin sales records. This is the second finest coin next to the Mickey/Crosby coin also known as "The Coin" which is housed in a PCGS SP67 holder. Wonder what this sale just did to the value of that one?
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All I can say is, WOW.
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Sounds like something an investors scooped up to put in a vault. Looks like something that belongs in a museum.
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I was toying with the notion of throwing down a bid on this one...it got out of control real quick. I used to not care for chain cents, but this "with periods" variety is far and away a better looking obverse than the other chain cent.

The hair detail is incredible!
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WOW

I guess you have to know which coins to buy if you want to make money in the hobby since most coins rarely go up. Unfortunately you need at least a million dollars to even get into that class of coins.

"In 1944, the present coin was sold to T. James Clarke for $850. The Mickley-Crosby coin was sold privately in 1945 for $600, according to William Sheldon's Early American Cents. And in 1946, B.Max Mehl sold the Eliasberg coin at public auction for $330.

When the Mickley-Crosby coin was last offered for sale by private treaty in 1993, its price tag was $1.5 million. Some people today believe it may be the most valuable regular issue United States coin. The Eliasberg example was last sold by Heritage Auctions in January 2012 for $1.38 million, a record price for any United States cent at public auction.

$850 gets you $2.35 mil

$600 gets you $1.5 mil

$330 gets you $1.38 mil

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The Coin is probably now the most valuable piece of copper on the planet.
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and... I'd love to just hold it for an hour or two to study it, just me a lamp, my loupe and "The Coin" sounds like my kind of date!
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And the camera.
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Wow. Just Wow.
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The large cent collector in me is awestruck.
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Now if I could only get my PO01 S-4 to become a 66
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I guess you have to know which coins to buy if you want to make money in the hobby since most coins rarely go up. Unfortunately you need at least a million dollars to even get into that class of coins.

"In 1944, the present coin was sold to T. James Clarke for $850. The Mickley-Crosby coin was sold privately in 1945 for $600, according to William Sheldon's Early American Cents. And in 1946, B.Max Mehl sold the Eliasberg coin at public auction for $330.

When the Mickley-Crosby coin was last offered for sale by private treaty in 1993, its price tag was $1.5 million. Some people today believe it may be the most valuable regular issue United States coin. The Eliasberg example was last sold by Heritage Auctions in January 2012 for $1.38 million, a record price for any United States cent at public auction.

$850 gets you $2.35 mil

$600 gets you $1.5 mil

$330 gets you $1.38 mil


That is a very good return, but look at the time frame. If you had invested $850 in even an average stock portfolio in 1944, you'd have $1.5 million today. So it's impressive, but not THAT impressive. 70 years is a LONG investment window and compounding is powerful over time.

And If you'd picked better than average stocks over that time frame, well you'd be Warren Buffett!
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Now if I could only get my PO01 S-4 to become a 66


At least you've got one, I remember turning down the chance to get a 1793 Chain in VF+ for $4.5K - and I said NO

I was young and the copper bug hadn't bite me yet, I could get a lot of milage (coins) with $4,500 in other series, so I probably did okay then, but in the long run those coins I bought (now long sold off) in no way made the profit return than if I had bought the 1793 Chain cent and held onto it for 15 years or more. This was back around 1985.
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Wow.
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Hello,

The video presentation for this chain on HA really provides some depth and realism to the digital viewer.

I also wonder if this coin stayed hidden in a top dresser drawer somewhere within granny's clean, soft cotton sock with instructions to descendants to maintain the same storage environment?

Does any history exist in terms of what individual or entity possessed the coin during the years?

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I watched this coin go on HA Live. I was amazed how much it went for!It started out at about 1.3 million after the prebidding and went up to 2 mill without BP. I guess I witnessed history?
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