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Is There A Good Reference Site For Small Provincials

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Just wondering if there is a good site, similar to Tesorillo, but for provincial stuff? I have quite a few now and it would be nice to pin a date and full details on them before passing them on the other collectors. Such as this one:-

Syria, 4.43 grams, 17.5 mm.

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Short answer is NO. Not that I have found anyway. Best things are imagination to put into acsearch. If you don't know the ruler and are only using the reverse to try and identify it is the best I have found.
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Don't know any, online information on provincials is there only in dribs and drags.
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The only reference that is of any use is Whirlwinds. Reference material on provincial coins is very limited. You might be able to find bits and piece of Moushmov and Varbanov online but they are not in English.
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Let me add that some of the BMC catalogues can be downloaded/accessed, but they can be a pain to work with.
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Thanks for the replies, that's pretty much as I thought! Is it a case that because some of the provincial stuff is tricky to identify that a a good, concise site hasn't been built yet or just a case that no one has got round to building one?
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I think it's because there are so many different types of each emperor from all the provinces that it's just too large of a job to research, compile and put into book form. Look at RIC that's ten volumes on just Imperial coinage.
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The best resource for a relative quick identification I know off is Richard Plant's "Greek Coin Types".
And if you know the emperor, Sear's GIC - but that is far from being comprehensive. There is just that much out there that at this stage some coins require a lot of time to attribute.
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So we are actually missing a large part of the history and provenance on Roman coinage then? A few years ago, most of the Imperial coinage was fairly new to myself, not the coinage itself as I have had Roman coinage for many years, mostly found stuff, but the meanings of different reverse types, all the different figures that are represented etc. and I am buying more and more coinage as the months pass and more often than not about 25 to 30 percent of it is provincial. How then are we to put a scale of rarity on these pieces?
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Personally I like the provincial issues, they IMO have more interesting designs. But like Byzantine coinage they seem to be overlooked my most collectors. In the case of provincials I believe it's because of the lack of research material and the hassle involved to search what little information that is out there. So I agree that a large part of Roman coinage history is missing.
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There are printed references out there covering a huge amount, all the SNGs (see eg http://www.sylloge-nummorum-graecorum.org/ ).
But consolidation into one large database covering everything is missing, you will find though a link to a database search on the link given. When you have a look at the three books from Varbanov which have been translated into English (see http://booksfrombulgaria.com/COINS/coins.htm ), they cover over 15,000 coins and deal just with (most) of the Balkan provinces.
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The second link doesn't work.
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Just had a quick look at some of my provincials.
Can mention one more reference, namely http://www.forumancientcoins.com/nu...key=lindgren

But there is certainly a difficulty to attribute many provincial coins or find proper references , let me give you two examples of coins I have:
AE 19 from Alexandria Troas of Valerian - Obverse: Lindgren#342 / Reverse: Lindgren#343
(was lucky that a coin dealer allowed me to borrow his copy of Lindgren for some time)
AE 18 from Aelia Capitolina of Aquilia Severa - no matching reference so far
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Quote:
The second link doesn't work.


Now it should, forgot to put a space behind the link.
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