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Fake 1880 Trade Dollar On Ebay

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 Posted 01/23/2015  9:31 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Susuman to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I just came across this fake 1880 Trade dollar on ebay. The denticles, date and other details are off. This same seller has sole several morgans recently also, none of which look right to me.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/us-silver-t...em19fa896e42

I have sent the seller a message and will see if they reply.
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01/23/2015 9:43 pm
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On their profile: "I have a fiancé in china since visiting china twice lately I have fallen in love with the art of Chinese knot tying and the jade coins they have"

Hmm...
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 Posted 01/23/2015  10:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Susuman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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On their profile: "I have a fiancé in china since visiting china twice lately I have fallen in love with the art of Chinese knot tying and the jade coins they have"


Yes, I saw that too. I guess they are trying to finance their wedding
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 Posted 01/23/2015  11:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westernsky to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Remember that EVERYTHING on ebay now comes with a "buyer beware" disclaimer.
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I have a fiancé in china since visiting china twice lately...


That's pretty funny.....calling Dr. Freud. Listen carefully and they'll tell you everything.

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 Posted 01/24/2015  01:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Arael to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So obvious... I've never understood somebody who would collect coins but not take enough interest in them to learn to spot a fake, it really is not very difficult.
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 Posted 01/24/2015  02:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nickel Guy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


You would think if they're going to invest that kind of money, from a stranger on ebay, they would do a little research first.
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01/24/2015 02:30 am
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 Posted 01/24/2015  11:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Susuman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I received a reply from the seller.


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I am not a coin dealer what does proof mean. I bought a couple hundred silver dollars from china for a friend all my coins that I purchased from china was the Chinese coins my fiancé will come from china next month and I buy them for the detail and she can tell me what they mean I am not selling any of my Chinese coin if any of my coins are fake I will gladly give refund with no questions asked I also have lots of red seal money but not worth much more than face value so I feel not worth selling at this time
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 Posted 01/24/2015  11:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zookr to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Chinese coins!
- in your face
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 Posted 01/24/2015  3:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Susuman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I send the seller another message with a couple comparison photos

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Dear wiljone_1293,

I attached 2 photos for your comparison. I marked two areas. The circled area shows the difference in denticles between your coin and a real 1880 proof Trade dollar On your coin they are not even in size kind of fade away. I also drew a line from the top o the one to the word GOD. Notice that the relative positions are in different places. You might need to zoom in on the images. You can also see other differences in the coins - I just pointed out a couple. In general, the details on your coin are crude.

I would suggest putting a magnet on the coin. If the magnet sticks, your coin is iron. A magnet will not stick on a silver coin.

A proof coin is one that was made basically as a presentation piece and is made to a very high quality with sharp details. Proof coins were not intended to be circulated. In 1880. there were less than 2000 Trade dollars made making it a rare and valuable coin.

Unfortunately, lots of fake coins are being produced in China and it is destroying our hobby. Please do the right thing and remove the listing and make it right.

My guess is that all the silver dollars you purchased in China are also fake. Check them with a magnet.

With Regards,

Fake-1880-Trade-Dollar-On-Ebay

Fake-1880-Trade-Dollar-On-Ebay


The seller replied that he could not see the differences I pointed out.


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thanks for the information I am not seeing the difference in my coin and the pics you send me and I tried the magnet and it will not try to stick I had someone look at it also they think it is real but if you think I guess I am asking you should I sell and if they say is fake I give refund or do I remove it not knowing for sure I try never to lie or be dishonest in any way please reply asap as the auction ends monday
- wiljone_1293


Does anybody else want to give him an opinion?
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 Posted 01/24/2015  3:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add edweather to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't think it matters what you say to sellers like this. Been there done that.
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Does anybody else want to give him an opinion?


That's when I send something like this:


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OK, you are entitled to your opinion. However, there is no doubt that this coin is a fake, and having been informed of this fact you are now violating Federal law by knowingly passing counterfeit US coinage.
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 Posted 01/24/2015  4:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nickel Guy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@SD

He has been informed.
Now I just put a watch on it to see what happens.
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I doubt the seller cares. Why should he since ebay doesn't care.
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 Posted 01/24/2015  4:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yooper to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Good job all. Looks like the listing was taken down.
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OK, you are entitled to your opinion. However, there is no doubt that this coin is a fake, and having been informed of this fact you are now violating Federal law by knowingly passing counterfeit US coinage.


Nice job.

edit: Hey, a few more frivolous posts and I'll hit 2K.
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01/24/2015 6:41 pm
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