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New 1891 LL LD C3 Obverse

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 Posted 01/24/2015  2:46 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add graval to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Great news if you collect the 1891 series on a die tracking basis as seen in Rob Turner's Dies & Diadems. Pic 1 is a general view of the reverse. It looks like a R10-L30 reverse with a big die break or die break/die chip combo at the 9th stem.

Pic 2 is a close-up of Regina. It has a wicked repunched N that obscures the area next to the top left serif. The G is repunched at the left top serif and the chip looks more like a knob than a line. These two situations do not help in attributing the die (O2W or O2X). Pic 3 is a close-up of Canada. There is a die break at the D, the N is moderately repunched but does not show a lot of appendage.

Pic 4 is general view of Victoria to show the C3 marker. Pic 5 is a close-up of Victoria. There is a die break on the 1st I, the O and the C is repunched like an O2W. The repunched T is to die for! Yup, it is the T with long serifs as seen on the T of Gratia of the O2Y-S2 1891 SD SL C3.

A find like this makes it worthwhile to scroll through ebay on a daily basis. Now we have sisters with the T with long serifs









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 Posted 01/24/2015  2:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okiecoiner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Grav: You look for things that I skim over. Nice find and I have no idea if I have any.
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 Posted 01/24/2015  3:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 47P7 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I believe you also have a die clash at bottom of the Vickie's neck..?
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47P7: Yes there are die clashes at the top and bottom of the portrait. This coin is so busy so I did not mention the die clash.
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1891 LLLD OBV3
So the Rev has the die crack on 9 but the OBV is diff or the same as yours?
Note also the top of the E in REGINA and the I
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I don't think its the same maybe another variety? your help would be appreciated.
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 Posted 01/24/2015  6:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add graval to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Fourmack: You are right, our coins are not the same. You have the Obverse O2Y-LS1, its obvious markers are the shape of the N's (it refered to as ''large block'') and the radial die break at N of Regina.

This obverse was married to 2 reverses, one was a Large Date Large Leaf (LD LL) die while the second was a Small Date Small Leave (SD SL)die. Your coin has the LD LL reverse, identified as R10-L37.

Your reverse has a radial die break starting at the junction of the 9th stem/9th loop, going up through the tip of the 10th leaf before ending on the bead. Mine has a lateral die break beginning on the at the tip on the 11th leaf, going through the 10th leaf before ending at the junction of the 9th stem/9th loop.

The specific obverse/reverse marriage of your coin minted 16.9% of the LDLL bearing a C3 portrait. Hope this help.
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Excellent and thank you--- I see what you mean re the REV die crack ( I need Rob's books ).
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On this coin the clashes are probably holding up the value, I think.
Have not seen on with clashes like that before.
could u please post images of the complete rev and obv?
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47P7: I use an USB microscope that can take pictures but there are limitations on the imagery it provide (as compared to a camera).

As requested, here are 5 pics: the full obv and rev, 2 partial obv pics and 1 partial rev pic. The obv partial pics show a vine curve atop the N of Canada and below the the G of Grat.

I am not too sure about what you mean by ''the clashes are probably holding up the value''. Hope this help.

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