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Okay Large Cent experts... Here is my example that is in my 7070. I don't collect this series, and probably shouldn't have even purchased this one since I have a near total lack of competence with this series of coin. First off, the only way I have to image coins is with a scanner. For some reason the scanner "washes out" this coin. The coin is red-brown, but much more red in hand. The red and the luster that this coin has is almost totally gone when I scan it. So you have to use some imagination. The scan gives it a chocolate look, and it almost appears to have a layer of chocolate on the coin, which you don't see on the coin when it's in hand. I picked this up at a local shop about 4 or 5 years ago. I paid AU-RB price, and it cost me $90 and change. Opinions? Ideas? Any variety visible? Thanks! Dave   Edited by ratio411
01/25/2015 6:35 pm
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Just for giggles, this 1837 came along just recently. My grandfather started me collecting coins when I was just a little kid... This cent was his. He passed away 20 years ago, but his coins went to his oldest son. My uncle gave me some of those coins just recently, and that is how I got this large cent. It is currently in my 7070 as well, just holding the 1816-1839 hole until I get a coin in better shape to take it's place. I also have a 1796 of my grandfather's as well, but it is so slick, it doesn't scan well enough to see it! LoL The 1837 scans really 'honestly'. What you see in the scans is what you see in hand.   |
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Knowing what a scanner will do to color, I don't see AU RB as inappropriate for the first coin.
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Doh!
I titled this 1855, and meant 1851...
Thanks for the feedback Dave.
Good that the grade comes in accurate.
As for price, I figure I paid full retail.
That's okay though, as long as I got the
grade I paid for.
Were all the "5"s that year italicized more
than the other numbers in the date?
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01/25/2015 6:37 pm
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I like it as a solid XF. Too much rub for AU imo. Quote:
Were all the "5"s that year italicized more Yes they were.... |
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Very hard to judge the surfaces of these coins from a scan so I cannot attest to the color of these coins which is very important in determining whether the coins have been cleaned or not. 1851: Details consistent with EF-45. N-33 R.1 die variety. Unfortunately $90 seems too high for this coin. I doubt this coin is red-brown unless I see better photos. What you see is probably from an old cleaning. Sorry, probably not what you wanted to hear.  Better photos would help. 1837: F-15 details due to corrosion. N-3 R.1 die variety. Both are excellent coins so don't let me get you down. Also understand that these are just my opinions. |
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That 1837 surely makes F-12, right?
How about VF-20? The more I look at
it, the more I see nice details. It
just has that chocolate look, and
even has some gunk spots.
Is there any way to 'clean' it, but
without actually cleaning it? I don't
want to hurt it, and would leave as-is
before ever doing anything bad to it.
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Celtic:
Thanks for that.
We were typing at the same time.
I figured I probably over paid. Like I said, I
had no business buying this coin with the knowledge
I had at the time. I am learning though.
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Try soaking the 37 in acetone to see if the black stuff is organic gunk, which should soak off or corrosion which won't. VF-20 is a stretch as the curl is nearly worn into the bust and I don't see the wreath detail consistent with VF.
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01/25/2015 8:08 pm
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Thanks, I'll try the acetone some time in the near
future, and post how it went.
If those puddles of black come off the coin, will
it leave a noticeable spot where the copper is
colored differently than that which wasn't covered?
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It may but it can't be any worse than what it is in my opinion.
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Looking at N-33 in Grellmans that is an R-5 rarity
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"R-5 rarity"
What does this mean?
Sorry you guys are going to have to talk to
me like an extreme green-horn when it comes
to large cents. I have been collecting for
40 years, so I get the basics, but I have
NEVER studied large cents. I feel clueless.
Would this mean that number changes to
N-33 R5? The other source assigns N-33 R1?
N-33 is the "die pair", correct?
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01/25/2015 8:52 pm
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R-5 rarity should bring a premium to the value. I have one that was attributed by Mr. Grellman last year. Mine is not as nice as this one. He gave it a F-12 grade.
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yes it is the die pair. f you punch in n-33 1851 large cent rarity into your search engine it should come back with a rare description
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Newcomb is silent as to the rarity which means that it is an R.1. Basically rare die varieties are given numbers from 1 (common die variety) to 8 (extremely rare). There are also ultra rare varieties listed as NC short for not collectable. Meaning museum quality rarity. Coins with R.4 rarity and higher command premiums to hardcore collectors assembling a collection by die variety. If Grellman says it's an R.5 that's hard to argue with but as I said Howard R. Newcomb is silent on the matter. Does this coin appear to be the same as your Grellman attributed coin? Maybe I'm wrong, I'm no J.R. Grellman.
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01/25/2015 9:04 pm
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