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This thread started off as a 1962 DDO question, I figured instead of hogging up the board with a bunch of different threads I would combine all of my stuff into one. Well here is what I am thinking is a 1962 DDO, except on Chucks site there are a lot of 1962 DDO missing, if this is one what should I put down as the die? This came out of a OBW roll, they all pretty much look like this one. Liberty is doubled, date shows a little, IGWT a little, and the profile is really doubled, so this will probably end up being a double struck cent.   This is what I am thinking is an 1963D DDO, the eye lid is doubled, Liberty, Date and profile again- Different lighting-  Next is an 1970-S, this one I don't know what is going on with it but figured what the heck and threw it into this thread- Liberty and eyelid look doubled to me, probably my lighting though-  Last is my long shot, 2007 Liberty-  These are the first 3 rolls I opened out of the "If you could pick" thread , I have 9 more to go and 12 more on the way. Edited by chrsb 09/22/2007 09:28 am
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I love the thickening on that one. Can't wait to see what Chuck says.
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Really can't tell anything without seeing it much closer. As for the 'missing dies' - well, I will eventually get to them, but they are far off in the future. I have a LOT of other things to catch up on first.
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Think of it this way...if the doubling you are trying to show isn't bltantly obvious to you in your images, chances are that nobody else will be able to use them for anything. Making the same images larger doesn't help. Changing your technique/equipment/lighting - some combination of these will help.
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Bedrock of the Community
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I agree I can't tell from the photos either and just resizing the pictures isn't going to help as Charles said, you will need to take another picture using some other techniques to get the doubling to show the best as possible. What I usually do is take a bunch of pictures of the part I am trying to focus on with a different angle of the lamp and search through them all to see which picture shows what I am trying to describe best and upload that picture for everyone elses opinion
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Bryan, thats what I just did, I took the light and moved it all around the coin then closer and farther away. Here is a try at the 1962-    I am going to try some diffused light after dinner.
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Didn't help.
Like I said, if you cannot see the doubling in the shots, we can't either. Your coin looks like a normal coin to me.
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I think that is my problem, I convince myself that there is something there when there really isn't. Well at least I hope others are learning from this and I am not just wasting bandwidth.
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Probably your best bet would be to purchase some listed die varieties and get to know what they look like. Understand that doubling looks like doubling. Sounds stupid, but that's what clued me in way back when I started. I had to buy some true doubled dies to understand that they look EXACTLY like the photos in the books. Once I knew that, I was set and ready to start searching through rolls. I would never have made it anywhere any other way.
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Could you recommend a couple inexpensive DDO's to purchase? Are you putting any up on the SLCC auction next month? I won a few of yours last time.
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> Understand that doubling looks like doubling. Sounds stupid, but that's what clued me in way back when I started. :) I found 200+ RPM/DD on ebay and bought them all for about $50. Was nice that he used Coppercoin's numbering system to make it all that much easier. You'll notice I don't fill the boards anymore with silly questions! Seeing one in your hands makes all the difference in the world.
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I empathize with you, CHRSB! Way back about 15 years ago when the original edition of the Cherrypicker's Guide first came out, I purchased it, read it from cover to cover, memorized lots of the listed varieties. No one was more conscientious than I. Coincidentally, that was one of the years I attended the ANA summer seminar in Colorado Springs. In conjunction with the seminar, there was also a very small coin show, which I attended. This is where I found my first doubled die. It happened to be FS 012. (1960 Franklin half proof) Though I had studied the book diligently, I had never before seen in person a true doubled die. When I looked at it, I'm talking to myself, like is THAT it? It doesn't look like what I expected.  (even though it looked exactly like the photo in the book) The raised and rounded images are what fooled me. Now, this one is a little more subtle DDO, so it was a good first test for me. I mean, for example, anyone can see the 1955 cent DDO. I think up to that point, even with all my reading, I still had in my mind's eye a concept of that flat and shelflike Machine Doubling being true doubling. But once I saw the real deal, I was off to the races.  Now, the cool part of this story is that the two authors of the Cherrypicker's Guide happened to be in the room at the same time I bought this 1960 proof set at the regular price. They were teaching a class that year at the seminar. I sheepishly approached one of them (I recognized them from their pictures in the book) to tell him that I thought I'd found the 1960 Franklin proof DDO. He looked for 2 seconds and said, yep, that's it, I have yet to find one myself, he said. They were both so hearty with their congratulations I felt like I'd just climbed Mt. Everest! So, I guess my story has 2 points. 1. If you see J. T. Stanton, Bill Fivaz, or Charles or any variety expert at the same small coin show, don't despair, no one person can look at everything! 2. As Charles has said, once you see a few real doubled die coins, you'll quickly learn to tell the difference, though of course, some are more difficult than others. 
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Vaslin, I bought 177 RPM's and DDO's on ebay and all I got was $1.77 worth of cents . If you call BIE cents, skirted "R", clouds on reverse, "no dot", cracked skulls, and other things along those lines valuable then I am "rich with cents" (sounds like a good name for Chucks book even though I already put my 2 guess in) Adobero, that is a great story! I am learning and reading everything I can. I just ordered a new scope yesterday and look forward to playing with it later in the week. I hope others read these threads of mine and are learning also. I have found my biggest problem is lighting and BU cents. BU cents reflect a lot of light and sometimes reflect things that are not really there.
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I need some sort of scope myself. I'm sure that subject has been talked about here many times, but, since I just recently tuned back in, maybe someone could give a recommendation? Reasonably priced, and I guess something that one can take pictures through. Thanks!
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I'll have to send you some of the duplicates I got then chrsb. Send me your email.
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