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Poll Question
Quote: If you knew that there was a hundred if face why didn't you give her a hundred for these? You are only new here , But most of us here shun sharks that rip little old ladies off this is not a rip -off of an old lady. she asked for got exactly what she wanted. Nothing wrong with that. The lady probably tried some dealers first to sell her nickels to and was turned down. AND, who are some of you to judge? Please be honest with yourself! please complete this poll. nobody will know what you voted for.
Edited by 47P7 01/27/2015 11:59 am
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Interesting poll with the debate goin on the other thread...
I would like to THINK I'm that type of person that would pay her more... but I think if I was in the same situation and I asked how much do you want and the answer was $30... a quick eyeball calculation shows around $30.. I'm good with it...
Now if the difference was something VERY significant... I would send another cheque.. but on an agreed upon price where the difference in value is less than $30 after exchange rate and what she may have gotten at a LCS... I don't think it's entirely that bad
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This seems like an "arm's length transaction". I see no problem with it. Each party walked away happy.
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I personally would've paid more, but only because I would've tried to count and pay face value plus/minus a little. I think that if neither person knew the true value, then $30 was keeping it safe. Maybe a little too safe?
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definitely paid more without hesitation!
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First off, you cannot really call it face value, as where this transaction took place, the currency had 0 spendable value, yes there may be some numismatic value in a few of the coins, but that's not the question here. compare it to a pile of metal, or a stack of paper, or a box of junk at a garage sale, you ask how much the seller says $30 take the whole thing, here is the KEY, if you see something YOU KNOW is worth a lot more then you might offer more. The buyer is obviously not SPP Ottawa, or any one else from Canada, and did not sit there and count every roll, and inspect every coin. If I was in a similar situation, being offered a pile of Mexican pesos, or centavos, or Indonesian coins, I may have even paid less, but that is because I don't collect foreign coins. if I found a gold bar under the lot, and it was real, then perhaps then I would be having this debate in my head. Realize the difference between Southern USA mentality to Canadian coinage, and do not have the perspective of a Canadian looking at US money, because US coins spend in Canada at par every day of the year. It would be a rip off to offer someone $30 Canadian for $100 in US coinage, and everyone here would agree.
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not to start anything else, or pick on anyone in particular, but I wonder why the same,"you should have paid more", wouldnt apply to other threads. the only one I can think of recently is in the canadian errors section called "best cherry pick yet". based on the comments I am seeing, shouldnt he have offered more too? as far as I'm concerned a price was asked, it was paid, everyone in that deal is happy.
Edited by wazzappenning 01/27/2015 3:26 pm
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just wanted to add, I'm sure the "little old lady" was capable of counting and knew what she had, given that canadian coin is the same size and denomination as u.s. or he could have handed her 5 $1s and walked away. maybe she was doing him a favor, maybe it was her good deed of the day. also for the majority of the u.s. population, it may as well have been monopoly money.
Edited by wazzappenning 01/27/2015 3:55 pm
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The ethics issue in question was did the buyer KNOWINGLY pay less than fair market...
Dealers who own coin stores can't and won't pay full price as they have costs and plan to make a living at it... but when a dealer pays you for a coin, if they are ethical they will give you the lower end of fair market value. Say 50% of trends..
Here the buyer in question was told a price and quickly accepted it.. as the price was below face..
If someone came to you with a rare coin worth 3 to 4 figures... and you said how much and they said $50 ... what would you do? The right thing to do is state how much it's worth and how much you're willing to pay ...
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I've always been self-employed and I definitely get the notion of buying something for as little as possible to make a profit.
After all, I have to provide for my family and 'put bread on the table' as they say.
However, in this isolated case, I would have paid much more than $30.
Edited by doubleeagle59 01/27/2015 3:52 pm
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@wazz... as to the best Cherry pick yet thread.............. there are two scenarios. In this thread the lady was older and most likely an uninformed seller, in the case of the best cherry pick, the way I read it , it was a DEALER selling a coin at a collector show. A sharp collector bought the coin and won. This is Cherry picking and happens all the time. There is not a dealer on the planet to whom this has not happened. A serious numismatist who has really studied his particular series has the drop on most dealers who cannot possibly research every coin or series. A Morgan dollar student specializing in VAMS can and does pick dealers all the time. Collectors who have seriously studied Canadian Tokens or Provincial Large cents of 1858 - 1859 can and do often trump a dealer. Cherry picking is fair game and part of the deal , ripping elderly citizens is NOT kosher! IMHO
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Quote: The ethics issue in question was did the buyer KNOWINGLY pay less than fair market... Did he though? I don't live in the Southern States so I can't say what fair market for Canadian coins is there. Can you? I would have paid more....but then again, I live in Canada where these coins have value. Only the two parties that took part in the transaction have privy to what was said. If both parties are happy with the transaction then I say let them be happy. Quote: If someone came to you with a rare coin worth 3 to 4 figures... and you said how much and they said $50 ... what would you do? This is like comparing apples to oranges. We are not discussing a four figure coin. We are discussing very common Canadian Nickels in the Southern States where they cannot be spent, and a little old lady that probably cannot be bothered to go through the trouble of selling them through ebay or other channels. Quote: In this thread the lady was older and most likely an uninformed seller, in the case of the best cherry pick, the way I read it , it was a DEALER selling a coin at a collector show It was not a coin dealer, but an antique dealer. They cannot be expected to know everything.
Edited by middross 01/27/2015 4:04 pm
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now where did I say COIN dealer ?
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Here is what an accountant will tell you what " Fair Market Value" is; what someone is willing to pay, in this case it was $30, the buyer had NO KNOWLEDGE of what Numismatic value these coins had. Yes the Canadian Face Value was about $100, but it was completely worthless play money where it was being sold.
Again, everyone who thinks this was out of line, you need to rethink this like I mentioned before, if someone offered you foreign coins which are completely un-spendable and therefore completely and utterly useless as a monetary devise.
There are 2 comments people keep saying:
1) the buyer knew exactly what he was buying 2) the seller did not know what she was selling
and with these 2 ASSUMPTIONS you may be right, HOWEVER in this specific case
1) Buyer has no experience in the numismatics of Canadian coins, and CANNOT use these to buy a can of pop 2) the seller can count.
This will be my last post on this as it is making me frustrated that people are only looking at this with their own personal slant and knowledge.
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since he said he ended up getting it for $30, we dont know the extent of the conversation. maybe he bargained her, maybe she bargained him. now I'm sure she will mention it to someone, so if someone comes along and says,"you ripped her off, give me more money for her ", then that would be a different story. @agcoinau, I would probably say you know its probably worth more than that right? and take it from there. for some people, its not worth their time or effort and they are completely uninterested other than spending it; which I would hope was the situation here where she just wanted to unload it, since no bank would take it unless she made the journey up here.
given the quick response to this posters first threads, maybe hes on his way to offer more? I dont know, but I dont think well be hearing back from this person as I think we scared him off. a series of questions on how this happened may have been better than the reaction we had, to see if in fact this was kosher.
Edited by wazzappenning 01/27/2015 4:26 pm
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 @ace_ftw Factor in the gas to drive from there to here and back again to get 'face value'.
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