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fellows, please look at these 4 rev 1858's. please look careful and try and come up with grades for each coin.  AND, please see if you can find any significant and noticable differences. obviously Coin A is in a slab and graded. None of the other 3 are. will post the obv tomorrow or Saturday. Thanks for your input.  Edited by 47P7
01/29/2015 2:53 pm
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A: low MS (unless I'm missing wear somewhere)
B: EF45 (bit of wear on the leaves at the bottom/mid left and right)
C: VF30 (more wear in the spots named for B)
D: AU details (cleaned)
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Nice coins 47P7... A- looks MS63 B- is the one you showed us in the other thread, AU-58 C- EF-40 D- AU details cleaned Needless to say, one has to see the obverses.  |
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How do you grade by reverse only ?
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How do you grade by reverse only? You don't.. but 47P7 wanted a guess on the grades. That's what we were doing. |
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EF AU VF EF harshly cleaned
Pac is correct grade by rev only is not accurate. :-)
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I just guessed based on some of the wear I see. And yes, I would need the obverse to give a full opinion, but I believe this was meant as a fun little game.
Btw I like the strike on B, really nice!
Edited by Paulsz
01/29/2015 4:02 pm
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A: AU55, Re-engraved 5, -only a very small amount of wear, luster remains
B: XF40, plain 5 -really nice die crack @ 4:00 & sharp detail
C: VF20, Re-engraved 5, cleaned. Weak N
D: VF30 C, Plain 5, cleaned w. Excessive hairlines in the fields.
Great collection of 20's! Sorry if I'mterribly off on grading! I'mexcited to see the slab on A!!
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thank you so far.
I specifically asked to grade rev and I said I will post obv later
I have reasons for that.
please all, have a look at the following:
1 the crown
2 the distances to the rim of leaves on the right side, leaves
#1-10
is it just me, or are there significant variants between Coin A and the others?
Perhaps you guys would want to post the revers of your 1858 20 C coins to compare?
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01/29/2015 4:32 pm
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A: High AU or Low MS
B: AU-53 possible cleaning (breaks in luster, haloing around devices)
C: VF-30 - EF-40 depending on obverse
D: AU-Details, harshly cleaned.
This all speculation though. With 20-Cents, strike quality often plays a role in grade and can make the reverse look over or undergraded. Without thr obverse, an accurate grade is impossible.
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The obverse can tell you a lot about the reverse variety on the 1858's...along with the 2 varieties of 5's and also 2 varieties of I's in Gratia, Regina & DEI (blundered). Once the obverses are up then we can make some guesses on varieties. Its possible there is slight variations in the crown & leaves between the varieties...just my thought.
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EF-45
EF-40
VF-20
VF-30 cleaned
That is completely based on an estimation of what the obverse (probably) looks like though.
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In all honesty, I have very little knowledge (because there is very little importance) in grading reverses, so I have to pass.
I'll chime in when the obverse pics are posted.
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01/31/2015 5:14 pm
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Coin B is the same one you put in the other thread... something is just not right about that coin - I would not touch it if it was offered to me...
Despite the reverse scratches, I like Coin D the best...
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Ok fellows, with some delay on the promise to post the other side, here it is below. the reason why I wanted you to look at and grade is this: Picture A. Grade of the slabbed, pix A, is PCGS MS63.. amazing How they arrived at a 63? my aim was to see if any of you would detect the very obvious difference in the crown in Picture A, compared to the others.
Maybe I am out to lunch on this one. But I see what I SEE! and what I see is a different crown! look at the jewelles aroud on top, both sides. definitely much larger! so, either another die, or just maybe,?  |
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