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Hi, This is my first real post. I am working to slab some of my grandfather's coin collection. I wanted to post the results of some of the Lincoln cents I sent off to get feedback on the results, the questionable colors and if any of these should be restored or resubmitted? Just trying to learn more about this first round with PCGS. Sorry for the long post. 1. First coin is the 1922 no D. It graded as VF35. I agree with this one.  2. Second coin is the 1909 VDB. It graded at MS64RB. I thought it would grade higher. What held this coin back? Should I resubmit?  3. 1909-S VDB. This graded Genuine, Cleaning-AU Details. Any chance of helping this grade higher? What AU grade should it be?  4. 1918. This graded Genuine, Questionable Color UNC. I really like this coin? How would you grade? Can it be helped?  5. 1955 Doubled Die Obverse. Genuine Questionable Color, AU Details. Okay I get it, the coin has a purple cast. I would call this one questionable color. This is such a rare coin is there any advice to make it better? Or do we just call it a purple coin and enjoy it?  That's it! Thanks for any advice you can share. It will help me as I work on future submissions to PCGS. Randall |
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Pillar of the Community
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I think the MS64RB one was graded correctly. Linco.ln's head is slightly weakly struck. This may have hindered the grade. I think this looks 80% brown and 20% red, which is kinda close to BN, but it's nonetheless less than 95% brown.
I think the cleaning of the AU details coins may be due to the spot in the reverse. Looks like someone took a cloth or tissue and rubbed the coin, concentrating on the middle.
The other two coins, they have some purple toning which I think is unnatural.
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Pillar of the Community
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Welcome to the forum!
I'm in the group that think that a lot of submitted coins get closer scrutiny when the submitter is not a major player with a big auction company. I know it sounds crazy as the graders aren't supposed to even know whose coins they are grading. I do not believe that for one second....never have, never will.
If a big auction house had sent in that 22-P there is a good chance it might have got an XF40 grade. On the 1909-VDB it could have easily go into the 65 family just because of the color. The SVDB missed the boat with the spot on the reverse. The 18-P cent makes the 65 in my book even with a few streaks of purple. It is a very pretty coin. It's got eye appeal. The 55 doubled die was cleaned a long time ago and "is what it is".
With the cleaned coins you can either leave 'em alone or send 'em in to see if "conservation" might help their appearance. (Copper is very unforgiving!). I think I'd just leave them alone and use them as a reference for future submissions.
Regardless of what they graded they are still nice coins and worth some significant money. Your grandfather had a good eye for quality.
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First of all  I agree that if a major player submitted the coins, you might have gotten a bit better shake, but you didn't do too bad anyway. Your grandfather left you some really nice coins regardless. IMO PCGS got the "details" correct. |
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Don't waste your money. Don't try to force something that isn't there.
The coins are what they are.
If you mess with them, they will be ruined.
Leave them alone and enjoy them as they are.
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I'm in the group that think that a lot of submitted coins get closer scrutiny when the submitter is not a major player with a big auction company. I know it sounds crazy as the graders aren't supposed to even know whose coins they are grading. I do not believe that for one second....never have, never will Quote:
I agree that if a major player submitted the coins, you might have gotten a bit better shake  I understand why people enjoy to dislike PCGS and NGC, but come on, if there is one grading standard used for 'average Joe' submitters and a different standard used for 'major players', do you realize what that means for the entire coin market? That would make graded coins, as a whole, no better than the junk in NNC basement slabs that used to advertise itself as 'MS67" when in reality it was an AU details coin. I can see it now, if this conspiracy theory that there are two different grading standards used gains traction, 'Well, I can only offer you 50% of greysheet on that PCGS MS65, you know how they use two different grading standards...' Clearly, as we have seen on here many times, there are mistakes made. I submit a decent amount myself, and most of the time, the grades are where I would expect them to be, sometimes I feel they were especially harsh grading, other times I feel like they gave me a gift every once in a while. Anyways, sorry for the sidetrack, I just do not think it is the smartest idea to keep trying to perpetuate a conspiracy theory as fact over and over again, now back to the OP's original questions... Even as details coins, some of these are quite valuable, and should you go to sell, these coins that are details graded will still go for a decent sum, as they their flaws are certainly not distracting and they have a great look to all of them... The 1918 may be an MS65 RB on another day or with another grading service, the actual color may be better reflected in photos you take yourself, as opposed to the PCGS photos... |
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I certainly understand your position, and am even there myself often, but I used the word "might." IMO, the TPGS do know when one of their major customers is submitting. As we all know grading is subjective, and it can go either way at times, so if a major customer gets the benefit of the doubt once in a while, I don't really have a problem with it. Why should a TPG be the only perfect holier-than-thou business in the world? That just doesn't make sense to me. Politics is everywhere and like I said, I don't have a problem with it. For me, and only me, to think that they are blindfolded like the scales of justice would be naive on my part. I have submitted several times to PCGS and ANACS and feel I've gotten fair grades every time. Might I have gotten a bump on a coin or two if I was a major player...maybe. No conspiracy theory here at all, just real world business. I feel the TPGs can walk the line just fine without anybody's nose getting too far out of joint. |
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Some very pretty coins. When it comes to Lincolns/Indians the "Questionable Color" is very common and seems to happen more and more.
What type of collection was this? A complete Lincoln set?
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Bedrock of the Community
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Silver is not the only metal that can tone purple, copper can as well but it is unusual for it to happen naturally. For some reason it tends to happen on proofs. Many of the proof large cents have a light purple toning.
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Thank you for all the great feedback. I am going to live with my "coins with character" and start working on my next submission. It's a bit addictive.
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Pillar of the Community
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I think PCGS got these right on, I graded them myself, honestly, without looking at your grades, from the large photo pop ups, I was in agreement in just about every coin to their grade.. Not that I'm any expert, or that my opinion matters any more than anyone else, I think that PCGS nailed it on all of them, and I don't always agree with them. Nice coins by the way, questionable color or not!
"Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440 |
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