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Kennedy Half Dollar Doubled Die?

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At first I thought this was a true doubled die. But the more I studied the images the more I am convinced it's Machine Doubling. Would you agree this is Machine Doubling?

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 Posted 09/25/2007  9:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Vaslin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like Machine Doubling to me.
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 Posted 09/25/2007  9:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SA4H to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hello thingee

From this picture, "IMG_6098kennDOL1.jpg", the picture showed the lettering in recess (lower than the field) - unless something is wrong with my eyes. Normally, the letters have to be raised..... I have the issue like your on my large cent (braised liberty)....

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Yes. Definitely Machine Doubling, no doubt about it.
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 Posted 09/25/2007  9:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thingee to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Okay. So I'm getting the hang of it. Thanks everyone.
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 Posted 09/26/2007  10:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
An example of a 1964-D Kennedy half DDO:

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 Posted 09/26/2007  1:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jorgy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like Machine Doubling to me.

SilentAsian4Hire,
It's just an optical illusion. I had the same problem with that picture and had to look at it for about 15 seconds before the image "popped" into the right perspective.

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coop
Thank you for the pictures
It is very helpful to see images
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 Posted 09/26/2007  10:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thingee to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the photos COOP!
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Thanks guys. If anyone is interested I also have a 1966 Kennedy Doubled die also if anyone wants to see images but they are pretty much the same as the doubled 1964-D.
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 Posted 10/01/2007  07:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thingee to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I like the pics.

I LOVE the coin!

Okay. Here's a question for anyone who can help me in learning about DDs: Is it usually a doubled die if the letter/number has a thinner image of the same letter/number on top image? (like pictured in the Kennedy half) For example if I were to use a thick magic marker to write a word and then I used a thinner magic marker to trace the same word on top of the bold one would that be an example of a DD if it were a coin?

I hope I haven't confused anyone.
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thingee, the first thing I look for in a double die is the split serifs, if you will study coop's first pictures you will notice the 2 separate serifs (in the first and third photo) at the bottom of the "R" in trust and the bottom of the 4 in the date (in the first photo), in the second picture the split is very noticeable in the "G" of GOD. I am not saying this is a absolute thing to look for but on the major double dies this always seems to be the case. I am still learning about the minting process myself also and I am fooled sometimes but if there are split serifs I know it is definately worth posting for a second opinion from someone more knowledgeable than myself on the subject matter. Others may have better things to tell you to look for but this is the first thing I always search for when looking for DD's
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There are listed 9 classes of doubled dies. Some have notches and others don't. Class 6 is one of them. You see extra wideness of the number/letters.
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So some have the notches and others don't. But the key word is doubled die. The hubbing overlaps with a previous hubbing and leaves a doubled image on every coin struck from that die. The more the separation between the hubbing the more the coin is desired. Sorry to roll an un-half dollar here, but it was one example I had an image of on my image host. So I helps this answers your question.
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Yes it does. Thanks again:)
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