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Pillar of the Community
United States
604 Posts |
The only opinion I care about when it comes to coins is my own. I have yet to buy a coin in a slab and I frown upon the idea of paying more for a coin because it has been graded. Not to say I won't buy a slabbed coin but I would want to break it out if I do. The only thing I like about a coin being slabbed is the extra protection it provides.
IMHO over time the numbers given to the public about how many coins have been slabbed and the qty. of coins graded at a certain grade will be skewed due to the fact that people do break open the slabs and sometimes resubmit them for grading. Some people buy slabbed coins for the assurance that they are getting what they pay for but let's not get started on the fact that fake slabs do exist just as fake coins do also.
In the end we all need to know what we are buying by educating ourselves prior to the purchase and make sure you (the buyer) are happy with the purchase regardless of how it is kept it in the collection. No one should be ridiculed on their collecting preference.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote: people will REALLY care about the difference in your ms69 and ms70. Slabs I get your dislike of slabs considering. Do you really think that slabs are only about the difference between 69's and 70's Truthfully, I don't know what you collect, but if say, you collected Morgans,would you ever attempt to buy a 1893s that was not slabbed ? Chime in everyone else ........ would anyone ?
Edited by denco7 02/16/2015 3:00 pm
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I see what both of you are saying. The whole MS70 is ridiculous and we have been over that in the past. (Like here or here.) However, there is added value when buying key dates, regardless of technical grade.
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Valued Member
United States
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i agree with denco, I dont like slabbed coins and dont collect keydates, mints, errors, or proof's which are the most expinsive.
BUT! if I was to buy a coin worth over 1k in numismatic value I'mgoing to want someone who looks at that type of coin for 40 hours a week and knows how to spot a real from a fake.
i prefer silver/gold coins slightly above spot however I cant do all the test's at a show or convention so a 15$ slab would make me feel more comfortable on gold coins
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Pillar of the Community
United States
604 Posts |
@Denco - I'm curious, if are educated on what your are buying and getting it from a reputable dealer why would it matter if the coin is slabbed or not?
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 United States
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Well, for me it is because the reputable dealer does not have a raw one to sell. 
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Pillar of the Community
United States
6370 Posts |
Quote: Buy the coin not the slab is the saying.... so if the coin I want is in a slab, I buy it. I don't "hate" slabs. I don't have to have them. But I will not pigeon hole myself by saying I will never buy a coin in a slab. There are alot of nice coins in slabs, and I do not want to eliminate them from a possible purchase.  My thoughts exactly.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote: if are educated on what your are buying and getting it from a reputable dealer why would it matter if the coin is slabbed or not? Well, aside from the fact that it's always nice to get a second opinion from a professional regardless of how educated you are, and regardless of the fact that not everybody is as educated as they should (or want to) be, as I said before a lot has to do with making it easier to resell down the line if necessary. I have no plans to sell any of my coins, but I can certainly foresee the possibility if my economic situation deteriorates someday. And, once I'm gone, I'd hate to see my wife and/or son get ripped off if they decided to sell my coins. Again, this is why I only get slabs for my more valuable and rare coins. I'm with you 100% on coins that go in my albums. I also really hate the way the slab industry has been promoting all sorts of gimmicks lately like "first strike" coins or graded bullion. But that's not the same as saying I hate all slabs or feel they are all completely useless.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote: @Denco - I'm curious, if are educated on what your are buying and getting it from a reputable dealer why would it matter if the coin is slabbed or not? I consider myself quite educated, I have been collecting on and off for almost 50 years. I have all the confidence that I can grade accurately and spot a fake as well as any TPG grader, if I have the coin in hand. But as I said previously. Quote: Not because we don't trust ourselves, but because everyone else is going to want a second opinion.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
1949 Posts |
I understand the dislike of slabs for certain, reasonable reasons... That being said, my personal collection is mostly slabbed. That does not mean I 'collect plastic'. When I first stated collected, I got burned on what I though were some of my nicer pieces, with cleaning and altered colors, ect, ect. It does not mean I do not know how to grade or anything of the sort, I also like having my collection with an extra layer of protection from environment. In addition, when I am selling a coin, especially a key date, or an issue where there are numerous counterfeits abound, I KNOW I can get better money than selling the coin raw. Unless you are a well-known, well established expert in a particular series, a TPG graded coin will net more than a raw example, with few exceptions. Quote: I generally offer less money than raw value for coins in slabs due to the trouble I have to go through breaking them out of the stupid things. Logically, that does not make any sense to me. I have a pair of sheet metal sheers and a flat head screwdriver, it takes around 10 seconds to crack a slab, I have had 2x2s staples with industrial strength staples take me far longer to get open!
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Slabs do 3 things for me (in decreasing order of importance): 1. Authenticates - is it REALLY what it appears to be 2. Evaluates - has it been cleaned, altered or otherwise changed 3. Grades - a starting point for my evaluation Since my #1 set is a type set (1793 through 1964) I cannot become expert enough to do what a TPG does for all the different designs. So I buy only slabbed (NGC or PCGS) coins. And since the slab is as good or better than other storage media I keep my coins in the holder. Right now I'm selling off my raw LWC's (bought mostly in the 70's) and am finding that I've missed that some were cleaned. The more expensive ones, of course.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Buy the coin, not the holder. First strike, early release, special labels (signatures, photos, etc.): all just sales gimmicks. Watch those coin shows on TV. "You're looking at rare labels here. We got together with ANACS and they've only made XXXX of these, so they will increase in value" Rubbish. If the coin is being sold with a special label, but at non-special-label-pricing I'd buy it. If I wanted it.
I prefer raw coins, yes, but when it's a key date and I'm not 100% sure (i.e., 1932-S/1932-D quarters, for example), with the numbers of fakes out there, I'd like the peace of mind. Breaking them out of the slab afterwords, possible, but probably unlikely since although I might not ever plan on selling a coin, if I absolutely had to, slabs provide instant authentication. (Counterfeit slabs are problems with that last sentence yes)
The same goes with higher-grade more-expensive coins...slabs are nice in that (provided the graders didn't get something massively wrong, of which you need to do a little grading of the slabbed coin yourself), the value is, more or less, consistent. You're not going to see 50 different people giving you MS-60 to MS-65 prices for a properly graded MS-67 Morgan should you ever sell. AND...it makes insuring a collection easier,.
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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I collect coins. I get why some people like slabs, but it seems to be a phenomena primarily in the US at present. And to some extent Australia and Canada. The rest of the world as far as I can see .. not so much. Here in Britain slabbed coins aren't anywhere as popular and the majority of coins are sold raw. There are fakes out there .. from the same source as the fake US coins I guess. But the majority of collectors haven't run around saying 'lets send everything to a TPG' but 'lets educate ourselves and buy from reputable sources.' As for me, well I buy hammered coins. Grading for those is inconsistent at best. Plus grade isn't everything. An unworn, as it was struck, coin can have all sorts of quirks making it undesirable. The few coins I bought slabbed were attractive and reasonably priced and that's why I bought them. Just as I keep records of where and when I bought a coin or who previously owned it I also retain TGPS labels as part of the provenance of the coin. That's it for me. .
Edited by Tom Goodheart 02/16/2015 6:16 pm
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 United States
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There are many Classic issues which I strongly recommend not buying outside a slab. One needs literally years of experience handling them to make confident decisions regarding authenticity and originality when a few thousand dollars' worth of value rests on your opinion. There aren't half a dozen CCF members whose opinions on colonial copper, for instance, carry unquestionable weight of experience.
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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None of my coins are slabbed. If you: can't grade, learn how to do it properly for yourself can't authenticate, learn and gain confidence in the series you are interested, and seek other opinions can't evaluate, learn what detail factors can affect the value and to what extent can't value, learn to search data bases and buy the right guide books I am still learning, and will continue to make a point of doing that for the rest of my life. If I were to consider buying a thousand dollar numismatic item, I would nevertheless do due diligence first, irrespective of any confidence I may have. That includes seeking other professional opinions, to also examine the coin 'in hand', and carry out some tests if I have to. Slabs have their uses. The best I can think of is for a buyer who is not confident enough in any or all of the above. Such a buyer is more likely to place his confidence in a slab, and thus the seller. Important for ebay selling / buying, when you can't examine the coin 'in hand'. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ So far as the non ownership of slabs is concerned, I use two mwthods: 2x2 Mylar / cardboard flips in archival quality album pages or acryllic screw capsules.
Edited by sel_69l 02/16/2015 7:24 pm
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