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From the photos I would say probably both have been cleaned. The reddish color gives it away. These are retoning nicely though.
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Why on earth would you send copper to NGC? If you want to resell coins like this, copper collectors like myself prefer coins unslabbed. If these coins were in an NGC slab I would not even consider buying them. If you want them slabed for your own collection consider PCGS. As far as whether these coins have been cleaned, I assume all large cents have been cleaned at least once. The question is whether the TPGs will consider them cleaned. The 1821 no, the 1822 yes, I believe it would come back as a details grade. In my opinion another reason not to slab.
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Those are both very nice coins. I like the color of both of them. If you send them to a TPG, they will overgrade them, because they do not go by copper collector (eac) standards. Then they will say they're not worth putting a number on, and give them a "details" designation. We copper people often do not see eye to eye with tpgs. No slab.... no slab. Edited by scottk
02/18/2015 11:48 am
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Wow you Copper Guys are tough on TPG's! I am planning on reselling both of these, I just don't want to waste the time on slabbing if its not worth it. I do not collect coppers (as of yet) and I know EAC members are EXTREMELY hard on grading. However in order to sell on ebay and get a decent price , most higher end ($) coins need to be slabbed to achieve a decent price. I don't mind spending $25 on slabbing if it brings me $50 more for a coin. Simple economic decision I am afraid. |
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Send me PM on what your asking for both pieces Roach, I may be interested in buying them as is.
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Roach, EAC isn't extremely hard on grading, they just have a different grading criteria which you can NOT use in conjunction with conventional price guides (you can use it with Penny Prices by Noyes though). TPG's don't "overgrade" copper, they just don't use the same system as EAC. For your purposes on selling those two coins, I wouldn't submit them to a TPG simply because its highly likely they will both end up in a details holder, which defeats the purpose of getting them slabbed as you will likely get more for those two raw then you would if they were both in details holders. Edited by EFLargeCents
02/18/2015 2:22 pm
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I agree with the majority. They are nice as is. Not worth slabbing. Just sell and keep the money instead of giving to TPG. Now if they were worth $200 ea, that's a different story. |
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The 21 is probably worth that much easy.
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For the 1821 I am at EAC F-15 sharpness net VG-8 for cleaning, nicks and crustiness on the reverse and the fact that the obverse and reverse don't match with color/toning.
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The 21 is probably worth that much easy. Yea, I messed up on that one, just assumed it was common. |
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I assume all large cents have been cleaned at least once.  on 90% of most classic old US coins too. Though as John Jay Pittman Jr. once said, if it's cleaned and not impaired then it's more conserved for the future than cleaned. Quote:Wow you Copper Guys are tough on TPG's! Most of the "Copper weenies," me included, aren't really tough on TPGs or grading, we just have studied coins long enough to be pretty confident in out grading. Most real copper nuts start out collecting all kinds of coins and as they get older, end up concentrating on early copper. I know that fits me to a tea, I gravitated to early coppers in 2010, and pretty much have only studied them since, I can't really afford the coins I want today, so I make do with lots o research, reading, and collecting books and auction catalogues on the early copper half and large cents. The 2 cents series is still my main area of collecting, but I'm sure I've spent twice or three times more the past several years on library items. Love both of your coins, I think even cleaned they would bring nice prices with out being in a TPG slab. NGC is notorious for messing up attributions on varieties, PCGS, NGC & ANAS grades are usually one to two whole points higher than EAC standards - not always mind you, but a good percentage of the time. "Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440 |
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The 21 is a N-2 an R-1 coin (1821 varieties are common in themselves, but as there are only two of them it is scarce as a date.)
The 22 appears to be N-4 an R-2 coin. 1822 isn't particularly tough as a date and this is a common variety, but they are scarcer in better condition. (above F)
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