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In a no problem top tier TPS holder.

As usual, the camera makes the marks scream.

They are not imaginary though, the marks across the bottom of the bust are the most distracting. Along with the spot.

The mark on the cheek is not to be seen without aid. I wear 3.00 readers, does that count? To be clear, anytime I say unaided, I am using my 3.00 readers. Under 10-X it is seen clearly.

The scratch across the rear of the neck/bust is on the plastic.

Other than that the little bag marks. Lots of them, though they hardly show individually unaided.

Luster and cartwheel are excellent, perhaps exceptional. Quite white, perhaps dipped (not by me!) some time ago. That spot is a tragedy, but it shouldn't hurt grade right?

On the reverse the only marks visible unaided are the marks across the (Eagles) left wing (viewers right) below the "A" in America. Under 10-X there are a couple more across the left (viewers right) shoulder.

So, what do you think it graded? And, if different, what do you think it should grade?

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I'll go AU-55. Would love to have it in my collection.
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This is kind of a slider; AU-58 would be my guess, although MS-62 would not surprise me either. Nice key date quarter!
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I'm in the MS camp, maybe as high as 63.
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I have a hard time telling AU from MS from photos. Maybe it is just me, but I will give you that it is MS.
(Edit to say: It is GRADED as MS).
Actually, I meant to do that in the first post.
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Anyone else want to play before the reveal?
Jessie? Thad? SsuperDdave? Spud?
Where-s all my buddy's?
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Comparing it my example, which is graded MS62, I'd have to say yours is also an MS62 and possibly even an MS63:

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Thank you Barry,
Good to compare to an existing 32-D, I believe they are tougher on the keys.
Shouldn't be . . . . . .
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It's rare for me to say this...but you should make your web pics a little smaller. Large pictures invite over-analysis of every flaw. Yes, they are nice to look at but ultimately the goal is to reproduce what you see in hand.

I can see the luster. I usually don't grade anything but Lincolns but I'll take a shot. Looks like rub on the high points. I believe these are known for somewhat mushy strikes but I still think it has a hair of wear too. It could be the infamous "cabinet friction" but it still presents as slight wear. Looking at the fields I suspect the wear will be evident as breaks in the field luster.

When your trying to figure out what those breaks look like, pull out a high-grade MS coin of the same type.....hold it under good light and cartwheel it. If the fields are clean, you will see the cartwheel spokes are unbroken in the fields. Take your time and examine it closely, pay nearly full attention to the fields. Then compare your coin using the same conditions. On an AU coin those spokes will have dull spots or places where the luster is more "flashy" than "cartwheely".

The fields look a little too beat-up for an MS coin. And most people don't use this...but the rims have evidence of wear. They aren't mint smooth. The highest points on coins are the rims. They are the first thing to wear but most everyone ignores them. For me, in a tight decision making process, it's my last resort "go to". I've passed on buying a lot of coins because I didn't like the rims.

AU-55 but one never knows with the TPGs. I like putting coins like this in their hands so I stop thinking about them. LOL
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Thad, I have the same concerns as you. There are a couple feathers that look like they have rub. The high spots on the portrait forward and rearward ear curls look like they have rub. The hairline is nice.

This can be seen in the photos. When I hold the coin in hand with 10-X I can't make out any rub. So, what is more accurate, the photos or my (old) eyes. It could go either way.

Oh, and the cartwheel in the fields is smooth all the way around. I had never used cartwheel in the fields to look for luster breaks or wear. Thank you for that tip!

It is in a top tier TPG holder, as MS. So my eyes and the TPG call it MS. The photos . . . . not so much.

The motto is strong. That is an indicator of a strong strike in '32 I believe.

I have some new Jansjos and am getting better with them. I have them diffused and at 10 and 2. I believe my focus is just a hair off on these. I might need to reshoot . . . . and make them sharper. Yeah, that's the ticket.
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Very informative post. Goes to show you what some people look for that others may overlook. "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder."

Nice Quarter overall. Thanks for sharing.
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Drumroll . . . . .
MS61 in a six digit small ANACS holder.

I truly believe it will today score a 62. I am going to send it to PCGS for crossover.

Depending on how that goes, I might consider sending it back for conservation to see if they can make that spot disappear or diminish.

What do you guys think that spot is about?

Thanks for playing, and I promise to post the results. Last time I sent in pieces for crossover, I struck out. I was expecting a couple upgrades on four coins and got zip, nada, not a one.

But I ain't breaking it out. If it came back AU, I would jump off a bridge!


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Wow Jon I was going to say MS62-63 no problem. I have a MS66 coin that has a nick on the obverse. Its always interesting with graders.
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Yeah, I see no wear. Nice coin!
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Did not cross! Arrrgghhh!
They gotta be seeing rub right?
I asked to cross at grade. Thought it was a cinch.
Soooo . . . Resubmit and ask for minimum 60? That would tell the tale, I shoulda done that to start, it just never occured to me.
Crack it? Nooooo!
Sell it?
Keep it and love it? Problem is I am trying to build liquidity for my heirs.
I have a couple days before it gets back . . . and a couple more days that the crossover special is in effect.
Guess I will figure something out. . . .
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I don't think you're loved ones would have any issues liquifying that guy in an MS ANACS holder. Don't stress. Keep it, Love it.
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