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 Posted 10/01/2007  8:31 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add rob to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi'
My name is Rob and this is my first post.I am trying to catalog a lot of coins that I inherited and am hoping for some help.
first is a 1979 100 lire from Italy the reverse is upside down.
How unusual is this?does it add much value.thanks
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 Posted 10/01/2007  10:31 pm  Show Profile   Check GO's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GO to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not sure which way the rotation is supposed to be on that one. Not every country uses the same guidelines for that. If you had 2 of the same coin and both were different then ya might have something there.

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 Posted 10/01/2007  10:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add arthrene to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I actually was just give a 1968 100 lire today. Mine is oriented the same as US coins. The obverse and reverse are opposite (when one is right side up the other is upside down).
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 Posted 10/02/2007  06:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Many countries, such as the USA, France (pre-Euro) and Italy (pre-Euro), issue coins that are "upside down" compared to Australian, New Zealand and British ones. This is considered "normal" in those countries; people there think our coins are "upside down"!

The technical term for "which way is up when you flip the coin over" is known as "die orientation". Coins like your Italian one are called "coin orientation", probably because that's the way most coins were normally made in the 1700's. Coins like those issued by Britain and Australia, as well as the modern Euro coinages, are classed as having "medal orientation" - because most medals have this orientation.

In some catalogues (though unfortunately, not in the Krause world coin catalogue nor on their Numismaster site), arrow pairs are used to indicate which die orientation is "normal" for the type: two up-arrows ^^ means medal orientation, an up and a down arrow ^v means coin orientation.
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 Posted 10/02/2007  06:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Peter THOMAS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
G'day Rob, & welcome,
some of the Italian coins are little works of art.

regarding what's normal and what's not, it is easy to get confused. I'm building a collection of British coins upto 1820. What I've noticed is that the gold coins are "en coin" (180 deg), but the silver & copper coins are "en medaille" (0 degree; ^^)

SAP: I suspect that I was ripped off when I bought my keyboard (nearly $10 at K-mart)
- I've got <, and >, and ^, but I can't find the other one. Which key/s ought to get me there, please ?
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 Posted 10/02/2007  06:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add muckeye to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Rob welcome.
Keep asking your questions and you will suprised just how quickly the advice and knowledge starts flowing.
The only advice I can offer is to get to a library and read as much as you can, it will be time well spent.
Hope you continue to enjoy the hobby for a long time.
regards,
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 Posted 10/02/2007  09:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
quote:
Peter asked:
I've got <, and >, and ^, but I can't find the other one. Which key/s ought to get me there, please ?

What, no down arrow? Me neither. Use the same one I used... lowercase letter "V".

I got the idea from the smilies here on the forum... is [^] and is [V].
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 Posted 10/02/2007  1:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JRC to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Rob,
Welcome to the forum.
The reverse is upside down, thats the way it is supposed to be. When the reverse is upside down, it is called "Coin Alignment." When the reverse and obverse (front of the coin) are facing the same way, it is called "Medal Alignment."
Here is a link that I think will help you. Lingo-the language of coin collectors.
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 Posted 10/02/2007  2:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Peter THOMAS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
SAP: thankyou.
silly me: guess I got my $10 worth. vvvvvv
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 Posted 10/03/2007  05:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks every one.
I think I will be seeking help often as I try to get my head around "the evolved life of the coin" JVC Lingo of coins is amazing and will help heaps.
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