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1604 Spanish Coin - Backwards 4?

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Not sure if this an error or not so I posted it here.

What do you guys/gals think? I bought it a while back and noticed this. Looks like the 4 is facing the wrong way.

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A normal date:

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Cool, a retrograde 4. I've seen stuff like this on other early Spanish coins. Quality control sure has come a long way.
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I will start by saying I am unfamiliar with the coin or how the dies were made - however, it seems to me that it should be called a rotational punching error (provided the digits of the date were punched into the die). If you rotate the final digit 90 degrees counterclockwise it becomes a correctly shaped number 4. It is not really retro-grade as that would imply an incorrect punch existed or a very poor engraving.

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The clue for me as to the cause is the shape of the 4. A normal 4 has a downward leg that is longer than the length of the crossbar. Rotation as I depict above would correct that issue. It is also much easier to envision a die setter rotating a punch accidentally than to believe a punch was cut wrong or an engraver made such an error.

When I first saw the picture I actually read the number as 400 - like the Portuguese coins depict denomination - vertically (I presumed the photo of the coin was rotated 90 degrees.) Then I noticed that the second zero was actually a 6.

It is a very interesting variety nice to see it documented. It also makes me wonder if the die may have been corrected by repunching the digit correctly - creating a 4/4 variation? Something to hunt for anyway.
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Thanks Numismat :-)

Thanks swamperbob!
I am definitely excited about it!
I met you at FUN Orlando and boy, was it an honor :)

Got one more to show you soon.
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