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 Posted 03/06/2015  4:12 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add kolhoznik to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I know this is a popular topic here but I have a Kiangnan dollar that I would like opinions on its authenticity. I have had the coin tested and it is 90% silver and the weight is 26.86 grams.

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 Posted 03/06/2015  4:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hard to do a comparative ring tone test against a known genuine coin in this case, because even the genuine examples varied slightly.
That variation even makes XRF testing non conclusive. Nominally, the silver purity is OK, but that varied slightly as well, with genuine coins.
Examine the edge milling alongside known genuine examples.

Neverthelss, all three tests worth doing to provide some weight in forming an opinion.

Looks OK in the pictures, but I know nothing about die variation with these.

So far, my opinion is
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 Posted 03/06/2015  8:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wonghinghi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Welcome!

Looks ok to me. If you are sure it is 90% silver, correct weight (~26.8-27.1g) and the engraving of the reeded edge is consistent, it is real to me.

Very nice coin, should it be bought from an auction house?

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 Posted 03/06/2015  9:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kolhoznik to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I found it in a melt bin at a silver/gold exchange :-)
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Do the chopmarks affect the value very negatively?
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 Posted 03/06/2015  10:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wonghinghi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I found it in a melt bin at a silver/gold exchange :-)


I reserve my opinion.

This nice coin if genuine, it costs at least US$200.00 (even if the chop here). But you said you found it in a melt bin. Just by common sense, I query its authenticity now! Do all other people "blind"? How are you sure it is made of silver? Can you post some edge pictures of the coin then?
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 Posted 03/06/2015  10:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kolhoznik to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It was not in a traditional melt bin. I went in and asked the owner if he had any would silver coins. He doesn't deal at all with foreign coins and I asked if I could look at what he had. I said I would pay 5% over melt if I could look through them. No one but the owned looked at the bin.
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 Posted 03/06/2015  10:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wonghinghi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Oh, you must have a best buy.

Even if this coin is not genuine, melt value plus 5% is still a small amount to bat a large treasure or a lesson to learn.
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 Posted 03/07/2015  8:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kolhoznik to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I sent it off to Anacs today so I will see the result soon
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 Posted 03/08/2015  03:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wonghinghi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Kolhoznik, I am looking forward to the outcome. I hope you can update us.
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 Posted 03/08/2015  10:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
kolhoznik I hope you took good edge photos of the coin before sending it off. Once encapsulated (presuming it is) the edge will be unavailable to photograph.

BTW I am not a fan of encapsulation of coins because I see the TPGs as grading specialists but not always great at authentication.
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 Posted 04/11/2015  12:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kolhoznik to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I got the dollar back and it got EF 40 details (chopmarked/cleaned). So I am happy. Can anyone identify the Krause number?
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 Posted 04/11/2015  02:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wonghinghi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Y#145a.2 from the World Coins Catalog.

Congratulation Kol, best buy from small money.
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 Posted 04/13/2015  10:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kolhoznik to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Can anyone tell me what this coin's value is on the market? I have been told that Krause is not the most accurate on Chinese coins.
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Krause is good only for relative values. Your best bet is to search Heritage and Stacks auctions on-line and look for comparables. The no grade will hold value down in this market but it is worth much more than you paid.
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 Posted 04/13/2015  1:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kolhoznik to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
By no grade do you mean the Details grade? It received a technical grade of EF 40
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