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What Is The Problem With This Japan Yen?

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 Posted 10/18/2007  12:43 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add ywan to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi,

I recently purchased a Japan coin from ebay and these are the
pictures.

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/...23_1_sbl.jpg
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/...4f_1_sbl.jpg

Usually there are quite a few bidders for such coins, but for this
one, there are only two bidders including me. I got it but I am a
little bit concerned about this. So I am wondering if this coin has
some major problem. Please advise. Thanks!

Yun
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 Posted 10/18/2007  3:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Yun, I think most ebay bidders are very suspicious of these coins because there are SO MANY forgeries made in China which look acceptable in pictures but poor in person.

Based on the pictures alone - I do not see anything alarming about this coin other than an old cleaning which should have held down the bidding.

When you get it just check (1) the reeding to make sure it was not applied with a ring die. (2) the Weight of the coin to see if that weight is proper and (3) Look for evidence of the coin being struck - flow in the surface metal.
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 Posted 10/18/2007  5:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add halfabustisbetter to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Once again I agree with swamperbob. The first thing I looked at was the edge reeding. There's not much obvious that I can see to suggest a counterfeit; maybe people on ebay thought the coin was far too nice to be real (that was my first thought). You might have gotten yourself a bargain.
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 Posted 10/18/2007  10:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ywan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the advice. But how to examine the edge reeding? is there any previous post talk about this?
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 Posted 10/18/2007  11:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
ywan - There is another thread or two that explains the BAD reeded edges, but I don't know how to find them so it may be quicker to explain.

The counterfeit cast coins are often reeded by forcing a stack of coins through a tapered die with groves cut in it. These groves are transferred to the coin.

The process DRAGS metal along as it makes the grove and there is a fold at the top of the REED caused by the metal being pushed up into a ridge. Here is a sletch showing the tell-tale signs of the forgery. The process also causes hollow split ends on the edge that comes out of the die last. These split ends are often ground off leaving a rounded edge that does not belong. So look for a combination of these problems.



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 Posted 10/19/2007  09:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gxseries to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Unfortunately I am quite suspicious with the coin that you got there - the font for 416 and 900 looks wrong. Can I kindly advise you that such dies are easily available if you know where to look:

What-Is-The-Problem-With-This-Japan-Yen?

Can I mention that I bought this die for under 25usd? Much cheaper than the original coins!
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 Posted 10/19/2007  11:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ywan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks swamperbob for the explanation on reeded edge!

gxseries, thanks for sharing the coin die information - amazing.
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