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1908 - O And 1914 - D Barber Dime Questions

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Hi all,

A few questions came to mind as a acquired some Barber dimes yesterday at a local coin shop. While digging through the normal "junk" silver dime box, I found that Mercury dimes weren't striking my fancy, so I decided to buy the best quality Barber dimes I could find in the spot silver box. These were two of the dimes I found. I apologize for the undesirable quality of these photos. They were taken with an iPhone 6 and a cheap 10x power magnifying glass.


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As you can see, the first two images are of a 1914 - D Barber dime. Is this a clipped planchet error, or did someone just take a file to the side of the coin?

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1908---O-And-1914---D-Barber-Dime-Questions

The second coin is a 1908 - O dime. I used the Red Book and found out this is a somewhat low mintage coin (~1.7 mil) and has a value about twice a normal Barber dime of a comparable grade. However, there is a small (quite noticeable) rim ding at the top of the reverse. Realistically, how much value is lost from this type of post mint damage, and is this still a somewhat more valued coin in this condition because of the PMD?

Possible grades of either of these coins is most definitely appreciated. My eye grades them both at about a G-4, I could be wrong.

Thanks for any help in advance!
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Can you pose a picture of the rim on each coin where it is affected?

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 Posted 03/08/2015  4:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mini_dude to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Absolutely, hope these help.


1914 - D:
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1908 - O:
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Also, props to whoever designed the Free Image Optimizer...very use friendly.
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 Posted 03/08/2015  4:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add matthewvincent to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Despite the rim damage and clip or filled edge the ' wear' condition of these is good. The
edges of the coins, if 'normal,' would not add much to value. Sad to say Barber coins in good are
not much in favor. That is why they end up in a junk silver box. HOWEVER...
You can learn much from the two dimes that you selected.

Notice that much of the dentils (the 'teeth') just inside the rims can be seen.
For a good coin that is very desirable. Were you in the market for a higher value/cost dime in good,
say a 1915-S, you would want those same dentils to show.
And the color: looks natural. Did you notice other dimes which appeared to be cleaned during your search?
Or somehow 'off?'

(I wish that I could see the ones that you did NOT select!)
In short, your eyes got a good workout and the search has given you some experience which I hope that you will continue to acquire.

So, both dimes are G-4 with 'problems' BUT they are G-4 nonetheless.

If your budget permits, try to find a nice G-4 Barber quarter in the junk silver box the next time.
WARNING: it will be difficult.

I am STILL working on a complete set of Barber dimes in High VF to XF with nice strikes. I have all 74 (the 1894-S doesn't count) and it is very difficult. A few AU have slipped in as well. They look nice but I keep wanting to do better.

May I ask, are you interested in the Barber dimes for a particular reason?

The web site in my signature is a good source of information for all things Barber.




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 Posted 03/08/2015  4:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mini_dude to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you very much for the information, matthew! I actually did not notice the teeth on either of those coins, and was not aware that was a value-determining factor! Good to know for future acquisitions!

The majority of the dimes that I searched through were Mercury dimes and REALLY slicked up Barber dimes. I picked up 5 dimes yesterday, and they (including the two above) were the better condition ones (1901, 1910 - D, 1911, 1914 - D, 1908 - O). I didn't see any that I knew were abruptly cleaned (however I did see a a Merc dime like that, it was brutal, my gut hurt a bit haha), but the ones I passed up were super slicked up, almost not even G-4. There was a 1913 that was in decent wear condition, but it was covered in black goo, and horribly unattractive.

This is probably my fist intended search for Barber dimes since I usually search for good condition Mercs. My father actually got me interested in Barber coins a while back when he got me my first Barber dimes (1909-S(he didn't know it was somewhat valuable, even in G-4), and 1911 - D). The Barber search was just for my enjoyment and pleasure to see if I could even attempt putting together a set that is eye-appealing. I don't plan, at the moment, to focus of seriously putting together a set, but I'm definitely interested in Barber coins in general. I really want to put together a 1898 set just for kicks (100 years before my birthyear).

I'll check out your website, and again I really appreciate the help.
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 Posted 03/08/2015  5:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Don't worry about those little dings to much. Remember your looking through piles of OLD coins and since soft material, lots of dings happen. Still if you didn't pay much, don't worry about that.
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 Posted 03/08/2015  5:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mini_dude to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I paid $1.50/coin plus tax for the lot of 5 dimes. Not terrible, but since the silver dip, LCS have been keeping their rates the same in order to break even. So hopefully that gives the value some room to move as years go on.
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An 1898 set of Barbers?
The Indian Head cent and the "V" Nickel [AKA BARBER Nickel!] are doable as well.
Perhaps a Morgan dollar as well?

"Every kid should have a coin that was made 100 years before he/she was born." My thought...

My 100 year old coin (I was born 1951) is an 1851 $1 gold piece. My Great Aunt found it. (She was born in 1900.)
My REGRET is that she had to die before I ever saw it!

But, that 1909-S dime has me intrigued. Any chance of a picture?
That date and mint was missing from both my dad's and Aunt's dime collections taken from circulation.
And also missing from most ebay's "Almost complete sets" offered routinely.

What you paid for the dimes is trumped by the what you have learned.
And just carl's opinion is seconded my me.

In short, a great education can be had for a few dollars and time spent in a junk silver box no matter the denomination.
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 Posted 03/08/2015  8:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mini_dude to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
For sure! Here is the 1909 - S:
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My dad got this coin for me a couple of years ago as I began to grow more interested in the hobby. At the time, neither of us really knew what we were doing, but we just kept going. He got this coin ~$3.50 at the time, and he thought he overpaid. Glancing at the Red Book, it seems he did alright. Regardless of the Red Book value, I really love this coin since it was, indeed, a gift. IMHO, I also think it's pretty eye appealing. I would give it a G-4 grade. It surprises me that neither your father or aunt's collection contained this coin...maybe it was just their location in the States at that time.

Yes, a full set of 1898 Barber denominations, but also every other denomination produced that year. I think it would be really special to get decent grades of all the denominations of 1898 and produce some way of displaying them...as a keepsake of sorts. I did it for 1998, and I'd like to reproduce it for a century before.
I have the 1898 dime already (not the greatest of grades, so I'd love to upgrade). Also, somewhat off-topic, but since this is still the U.S Classic forum, here is a pic of my 1898 Morgan. I really enjoy this coin. Sorry for the subpar pics. It has some really pretty golden toning when held. Very minimal pinwheel effect. Must best of all it was pretty cheap!

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mini-dude,
Back in the day there were plastic holders. Whitman I think, for five coins from cent through half dollar.
And maybe for cent through dollar if memory serves.

The 1909-S dime, well, it is decent. Do you see the dentils? Some might question the surfaces as being cleaned but that is a common question. I think that it is solid. Really, a G-4 has spent time in a LOT of hands!

You know what, I like your attitude a lot! You approach coins with a search for knowledge which will gain you many friends here and a respect from the dealers you patronize.

The Morgan dollar is ideal for your 1898 goal.
I won't tell the moderators if you don't! It's fine by me.

Confession: I tend to give a LOT of help to collectors when Barber coins are the topic!
Especially circulated examples. I ain't rich and my dime set is affectionately called an everyman's' set.



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Quote:
Also, props to whoever designed the Free Image Optimizer...very use friendly.


Here, let me feel your forehead.

Think that's the first unsolicited compliment that thing has ever had.

We did recently raise its' limits, which has helped.
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I believe you're right, I've seen them at my LCS! I'll give those a good consideration! Thanks!

For the 1909-S dime, I think your point about possible surface cleaning is pretty valid. The more I look at the coin, I can see the small micro-scratches that could indicate that it was rubbed around on an abrasive surface at one point during its lifetime. And, yes!, I do see the dentils! I was looking back at the actual coin in front of me and compared it to the picture I posted here...it seems that the dentrils are actually more visible on the picture than in real life. I thought that was interesting...maybe its the slight differences in the angle (and shadow) of the light hitting the coin, and possibly the type of light. Could be my eye, but I tend to see them more in <3000K light temperatures. That observation could be totally arbitrary, but still interesting.

I appreciate the kind words, matthewvincent, it is those like you, and others, who seek to educate the less educated that keep me on this forum. I discovered this quote at the beginning of 2014, and it has been my motto ever since..."He who asks a question is a fool for a minute; he who does not, remains a fool forever." I love that this forum is able to allow newcomers to ask questions, and allow veterans to answer in kindness and wisdom. There may be more Barber coins in my future, so I'm honored to have you, and others to advise me through this long and enjoyable adventure!
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superdave,

I think its very convenient since Coin Community has a file size limit. Let me say, it works better on my Windows desktop than my Chromebook
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