1983-P & D With Same Revsres New Question

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amac44 Member United States 3242 Posts	Posted 10/20/2007 12:40 pm I have found a 83-P LMC cent & 83-D with the same type die crack in the same place on the both Odd or Rare Image: 1983-DObv.jpg 75.89 KB Image: 1983-D-CupMEM.jpg 67.45 KB Image Insert: Image Insert: Edited by amac44 10/20/2007 3:23 pm Report this Post to the Staff

garylcsr Pillar of the Community United States 1952 Posts	Posted 10/20/2007 12:54 pm that is a die clash not a crack. If you turn the coin upside down you will see the whole bust on some coins. but it;s a clash Gary Report this Post to the Staff
coppercoins Pillar of the Community United States 7629 Posts	Posted 10/20/2007 1:46 pm And clashes are not die varieties. They happen often. Report this Post to the Staff
amac44 Member United States 3242 Posts	Posted 10/20/2007 3:20 pm I was not sure if it was a crack or clash but the next, Question is do Denver and Philly exchange dies the clash is in the same spot on die&coin from Denver & Philly same die of just a lucky match Image: 1983-P-Rev.jpg 68.32 KB Report this Post to the Staff
coop Bedrock of the Community United States 62064 Posts	Posted 10/20/2007 4:40 pm Dies go through the same again process and what happens to one die usually happens to several of them. Die crack/breaks/clashes happen in the same areas because the same thing happens to them. a die clash is just one thing that happens to die. When the two dies strike together they create an opposite impression in the fields of the two dies on each other. When coins are stuck afterwards with the clash marks present, you can see them in the fields and if multiple cleaning happens they eventually get as deep as the devices on the coin and you start to notice edges of letters/numbers start to blend in with the fields. Here are a few things you can notice after clashes. https://www.coincommunity.com/forum...ects-OBV.jpg https://www.coincommunity.com/forum...ects-REV.jpg Here is an image with the position of the die to each other. These are just two images imposed on each other. But the fields are the parts affected as they are what makes contact during a clash. The devices are deeper into the die and don't make contact except when the cleaning wears the die dields down to their depth. Again look for clash lines in the fields. https://www.coincommunity.com/forum...ie_Clash.jpg https://www.coincommunity.com/forum...ie_Clash.jpg https://www.coincommunity.com/forum...ie_Clash.jpg https://www.coincommunity.com/forum..._overlay.jpg https://www.coincommunity.com/forum...RIAL_OBV.jpg https://www.coincommunity.com/forum...RIAL_REV.jpg Each time a die clash happens the dies are either cleaned or replaced. (If they break) The same clashing/cleaning happens over and over till the die is totally rendered as unacceptable for striking coins The detail starts out fresh, but muddels with age. Report this Post to the Staff
coppercoins Pillar of the Community United States 7629 Posts	Posted 10/20/2007 7:40 pm Die life is generally a couple of days at most. There would never be a reason to ship a used die from one place to another. What you have is such a common occurrence, it could be found on probably a hundred different reverse dies from the same date. The clash is always in the same place because the dies are locked into place in the press. The back of the shoulder always aligns with the columns on the reverse. Report this Post to the Staff
amac44 Member United States 3242 Posts	Posted 10/21/2007 05:33 am thanks folks Edited by amac44 10/21/2007 05:33 am Report this Post to the Staff
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