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 Posted 10/20/2007  3:02 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add trdhrdr007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Here's a 2 Cent I just got in the mail today, I'm looking for grading opinions. Are you out there nohope? The first 2 pictures are unaltered, & are pretty close to what the coin actually looks like. I used software to lighten up the next 2 pictures in an attempt to make it easier to see the details.

I know what I bought this coin as, & I have an opinion myself, but it is a raw coin & I'm not an expert so have at it. In hand it looks like the weakness of the E in WE is mostly a strike issue. There's also some doubling evident on the UNITED, but I couldn't get it to show up in the pictures.



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 Posted 10/20/2007  10:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add codydude815 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't see wear, so its MS, and I'm thinking a 63 or a 64.
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 Posted 10/21/2007  02:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nohope587 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ok here we go. I don't have any of my reference material here so take this with a grain of salt.....
Its not a fancy 5 so its an earlier minting but the Dies have deteriorated hence the retooling on United and maybe on the Cents. This series is notorious for weak or offcenter strikes yours is both weak and slightly offcenter. The vertical and horizontal lines of the shield appear to be intact but the arrows are flat so we are not talking about and MS coin here codydude815 this series is a graders nightmare but if you are certain is MS63/64 when you get to 50 posts I can offer you dozens of these at EF AU prices. :-) Joking aside and back to the coin. The feathers on the right should be stronger than the ones on the left but they are not this also indicates wear. It does not appear to have been cleaned which is a plus. The ribbon is slightly worn and not as defined as it should be even considering the strike. There is also a flatness to the wheat ears

1865 was the second year of minting and the second highest mintage but they did circulate and finding one in anything better than VF is not easy from the pictures I would consider it to be a solid 35 in hand I may even say EF40 which means with your track record PCGS would call it AU. The New ANA grading standards book would call it EF45 maybe AU50 but I still prefer my 1970's photograde. Its very nice of you to show me the coin you are going to send me as a Christmas Present this year. if you have forgotten my address PM me and i'll remind you.
Now just you try and find a 66 in this grade.....
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 Posted 10/21/2007  09:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trdhrdr007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The guy I bought this one from felt like it was an EF40 or better, but also said he has a hard time with these(who doesn't?) & offered a 30 day return. I use the ANA Grading Standards book I bought last year, going by it I put this coin at EF45+. I'm not having a lot of luck finding decent, problem free coins at a reasonable price, so I was happy to find this one.

This one's going in my 7070, so I won't be sending it to be slabbed. If I did I'm sure PCGS would be kind to me & give it at least an AU55. I'll be happy to send you this one for Christmas, could even send it early if you want. You are still sending me that 1864 Small Motto I want, aren't you?
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 Posted 10/21/2007  10:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add halfabustisbetter to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Although nohope (as always) gave a comprehensive view, I imagine PCGS would take it down to AU-50 in light of the light rim dent at 10:00 obverse and the mark/scratch through the date. In the absence of these I might even agree with an AU-50 designation, but I will go on record at EF-45. Nice one!
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 Posted 10/21/2007  12:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Prethen to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks AU to me. The ribbon was the dead giveaway for me to determine if it circulation wear.
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 Posted 10/21/2007  12:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nohope587 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
trdhrdr007 why would you want one of my expensive small motto 2 Cent coins when there are so many 'rare' small motto coins on ebay that can be had for a fraction of the cost.
Next thing I know you'll be wanting me to part with one of my 1872's
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Well, I thought you'd part with a Small Motto for free out of the goodness of your heart. I can't afford those fine examples of "small mottos" that are being sold on ebay.
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 Posted 10/21/2007  9:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nohope587 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There is many a person who has worked offshore with me who will testify to the fact I am very lacking in the goodness of the heart department... but with secret Santa just around the corner you never know what scrooge will turn into...
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 Posted 10/21/2007  9:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bilbo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'd grade this EF-40. If the 'E' in 'WE' is stronger than it looks in the pics, I'd go EF-45. (This is based on current ANA grading standards.)
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