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Help Again With 1962 Lincoln Memorial Cent Doubling

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Is this a DD or is it just Machine Doubling? Its hard for me to tell because the picture of the 1962 DDO in the book I have looks like Machine Doubling to me.

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 Posted 11/08/2007  12:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thingee to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The image of the 2 makes me believe it is Machine Doubling...but I'm still learning...so don't take my word for it.
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machine doubling.
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Thanks foundinrolls, What I was looking at was the chin and nose of lincoln which looks like the picture I have. How can you tell if it is a DDO? does it have very noticable seperation lines in the date?
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1962 Proof Doubled Die
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1962 Business strike Doubled Die
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From your images I could see what you were referring to. But good color images helps you see with ease. A doubled die can also suffer from Machine Doubling. But Machine Doubling is far too common to be a premium for. Watch for die doubling. that is the nicest.


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 Posted 11/09/2007  11:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jonathang5565 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks coop, the pictures helped a lot. I think I may have a couple it just doesn't show up when I scan them because of the bright light reflecting off of it. Can you tell by this picture? I took it with a camera. It isn't a very good pic and the 6 is blurred from my magnification but you can see the 9 clearly. The bottom of the 9 isn't showing up good but there are two separate points at the bottom if you can just tell me if this is what the side of the 9 looks like? I just started doing this and am still learning so thank all you experts that help.

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better pictures

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That ones a keeper. I would guess class 6 doubled die. Die number? Not sure as that year has a lot of them. But a find one to keep.
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Thanks.............I now realize that I cannot scan the coin images anymore. Now I have to find all the coins that I have posted in the past needing help because I was probably right on those also. That coin was just like the one of the first scanned image (i kept thinking that there would be too much reflection to see good details on unc coins). What I mostly do is get BU rolls (preferably fed) to make sure when I do find something its in top condition. I'm just not an expert on all these variety types so I probably have a lot of coins in tubes that I have passed by when I searched them.
Glad to hear its a keeper, I have 7 or 8 of them
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Hey, how much would you roughly estimate they are worth? maybe I should e-bay em'?
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Jonathan: It varies on the separation of the hubbings and how bad someone wants it on ebay. Sometimes you get them practically for shipping and other times they want an arm and a leg. So it depends on your bidders.
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The better pictures are confusing me . It doesn't look like the same coin that was in the first picture. The 6 in the first pic has two indentations going east to west that I dont see in the newer pictures.

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foundinrolls, the first picture was scanned and I think that the reflection from the bright light wasnt letting you see the seperation lines. The second pictures I took with a camera looking through a 12X with the flash turned off on the camera and a lamp as lighting. I'm not sure if it was the exact coin but it was exactly like it. I went back and looked through my rolls for that year and found the roll I got the first out of. Almost the whole roll looks exactly like the one in the 2nd pictures, is it even possible to find a whole roll of DDs, are they made continuouusly untill someone at the mint notices it and fixes the problem? also, can anyone tell me if this is the DDO in my book, the CONECA:DDO-001, Potter:VCR#1/DDO#1, Wexler:WDDO-001?
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No, it doesn't work that way, you may find 100 of the same DD in a bag of 5000 cents. But to get a roll of the same DD, someone would have had to pull them separately from elsewhere.
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Well, it may not be the whole roll I havent checked every single one but I would say at least 25-30 is. If that really is doubled and if you say thats how it works then I guess someone had an accident (mix up) to my advantage.
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The batch of coins you receive is part of a run that the machines filled the bin up with. It two machines were running, then you would get examples from two different die pairs. If either die was swapped, the you might have coins from three die pairs. But usually there are many coins running at the same time dropping coins from several different machines. You may have examples of 8-16 different die pairs in one bag/roll. So to think that if they were all from the same die pair would be an unrealistic desire. In fact, just because there are varieties for any coin in a certain year know, the possibilities that the dies that made those coins were retired a long time ago, or they haven't been put into use yet. So no matter how large a quantity you look through, bag/rolls that came out of the same run, you will find the coins made from those dies running at that time the hopper was being filled. Thus Bills statement about the finding 100 from a bag of 5,000. You could find none out of 5,000 if the machines were making normal (Non-Variety) coins. So it just a matter of getting the right roll/bag as to what you will find. If they were part of that day/hours run (Time it took to fill the hopper) you will find examples from just "X" numbers of die pairs. this could be good or bad. Good if you find a bunch of die varieties in the bag or bad if you find a bag with no varieties. So it all depends on the roll/bag you get.
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