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2000 Off Center Lincoln Memorial Cent With Ridges On Edge

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Occasionally I check my change when looking for State Quarters and I found this (sorry for the low-quality pics):

2000-Off-Center-Lincoln-Memorial-Cent-With-Ridges-On-Edge 2000-Off-Center-Lincoln-Memorial-Cent-With-Ridges-On-Edge

It's off-center, but what causes the ridging? It's much larger than a dime. The edges on the inside of the coin are a bit beveled as well.

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Sara
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Hi Sara

I don't thnk the coin was struck off center ,,I think it was struck inside the wrong collar and the coin reacted much like being struck out of collar spreading beyond its normal size .

The collar is what forms the edges of the coin ,,and yours appears to have been struck in one that was larger and reeded .

Im trying in my mind to come up with a us coin that would work,a dime collar is much too small and quarter collar is much to big.

Maybe one for the 10 dollar gold ?

So I have a question ,,how much of the coin shows the reeded edge ?

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The reeded edge goes all the way around. It's slightly fainter on one side, but still visable.
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Actually, the coin was struck slightly off-center. The amount of "blank" area is the same on the obverse as it is on the reverse.

Exactly what imparted those lines on the edge of the coin, I am not sure. The coin itself though is an of center strike.

Actually, in looking at the picture again, I know exactly what the lines on the edges are. I'll bet you anything they line up with the lettering on the reverse that is missing at the edge of the coin. The metal was effected by the strike as the lettering approaches the edge of the coin.

A reeded collar has nothing to do with this as that is not a possible scenario.

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Bill
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The OP says it is all the way around the coin slightly weaker on one side but still there ?



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It has nothing to do with a collar. An off-center struck coin such as this one was struck without the collar coming into play. The coin still had to end up in a counting machine or a Coin Wrapping Machine and since it is not off center enough, it would make it into a counting machine or a wrapping machine either of which could have added a few more lines to the edge.

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I agree with Bill
look where the letters are on the reverse and you will see that they line up perfectly
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Interestingly enough the OP has said that the ridges go all the way around the coin ,, are they coincidental ? perhaps,, there is no way to say with out doubt that they are not damage or for that matter how they came to be there .adding lines from counting machines or coin rollers ? I have never seen such damage on a coin before from these machines ,,but I suppose the possibility exists .

I suggest that you take your coin to a dealer who is familiar with errors or to a major coin show where you can get it looked at in hand .

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The coin is off center and the ridges are DAMAGE from a counting or sorting machine.



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Can you post some pic's of other coins with this damage ? Like I said I have never seen this type of damage from a couinting machine or sorting machine ,, I have seen the swirls on the surface and the knocked off devices from them ,,but never any that had lines added to the edge of the coin .

I would be interested in seeing other examples .

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MM I use to have an off center state quater with the same pattern on it, but I sold it as I hate damage. I have seen many more examples on ebay.

I am not sure which machine this got caught in, but it is definitely post mint damage (by a machine)

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Here's another pic of the ridges for ya'll:

2000-Off-Center-Lincoln-Memorial-Cent-With-Ridges-On-Edge
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I agree with Gary and Bill on this one. If you take the image of the rim, the lines are not vertical as in the reeding collars used on dimes. Usually if it was counting machine/wrapper, the obverse/reverse would have been affected. But they look like the missing portion of the letters if you reverse the image of the edge 180 degrees. Just appears to be strongest on the area where the strike may have flipped the coin a little and wrapped the pattern over the edge of the coin. Just what it appears to me.
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Damage period. Not letters, no way.

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Thanks everyone!
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lol this is getting fun
i still say letters. a counting or rolling machine will not have anything to do with the outsides of the rim. only on the obverse or reverse will see damage from them machines
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