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 Posted 11/11/2007  11:43 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add jonathang5565 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I came across a roll of these 1980 cents that look like this. I posted it to see if they were doubled but someone told me they were not. Could someone explain what happens for them to turn out like this? The picture is a little blurry but you can see what I'm talking about.

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 Posted 11/12/2007  12:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Vaslin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's too blurry to confirm doubling. All it looks like from the pics so far is Mechanical Doubling, but can't be positive with the current pictures.
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 Posted 11/12/2007  12:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Metalman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I can't tell anything for sure from the pics ,, were going to need better ones !

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 Posted 11/12/2007  02:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add garylcsr to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
yep that is caused by a camera not being in focus lol
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 Posted 11/12/2007  4:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There are different factors for distorting the design on a coin. The first is strike error. The movement of the die during striking with the coin held fast with the collar creating Machine/mechanical doubling. That is probably the biggest question asked along with plating sliding from the strike creating a false line. There is a third issue relating to striking that sometimes come into play with dies. As the get older the outside edges of devices start a wear pattern. Sometimes after the very late die state (VLDS) is reached the detail from the die edges of the devices start wearing so the edges of the devices and the fields start to snow drift over each other. In other wards the details get weaker and weaker leaving die wear patterns on the devices. This is even strong on the devices that face the rim of the coin. Making a false "SO Called" Doubled die. The 1955 "Poor Mans Doubled Die" is part of that problem. the outside devices wear causing the die to flow even stronger to the fields. It can even be seen as wear lines that rise up on the other edge of the devices. This beyond the flow lines that also flow toward the rim. So what you might be seeing the the Die Deterioration from wear. Common on coins and not extra premium (Even on the Poor Mans so called doubled dies) because this is just wear and not a variety created on the die. Kind of "Newbie" stuff that we all have to learn to be able to tell what is worth keeping and what is to be tossed back into circulation for the next "Newbie" to find. Hope this helps.
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 Posted 11/12/2007  5:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jonathang5565 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks coop that helped a lot. I have another question for you also. I come across pennies all the time that are thicker on one side and thin on the other (like thick on the left side and thinner on the right). I never thought much about it but is that from the die being loose or something and not landing completely flat on the coin and if it is would that be one of the things that cause Machine Doubling? Thanks again.
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 Posted 11/12/2007  5:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As far as I know that happens all the time. Take s look at a clear tube of cents. You will see that they sit unevenly in the tube. So that is common. I don't think it has anything to do with Machine Doubling as it is more common than the machine doubled ones.
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 Posted 11/12/2007  6:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jonathang5565 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ok, thanks. I was just wondering.
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