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 Posted 03/18/2015  08:58 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add coinsarecool to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
twinklestars1234 is the shill bidder ID for canadian-coin-collector. His name has been discussed his with relation to Landon collection. So now you know. Funny how he is still allowed to sell on ebay after so many people here have complained to ebay (or maybe they just said taht they complained). Anyways.
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 Posted 03/18/2015  11:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JeyRey2000 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the digging! Make sure to block from my list as well. Dont want him causing me any trouble.
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 Posted 03/18/2015  11:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add skip79 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I must have missed something. What has this person done, exactly?
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 Posted 03/18/2015  11:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Stacker82 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Shill bidding is when you bid on your own items to increase the value of it, and upping what someone else has to pay. Say I want the coin so I bid, then that shill comes in and bids it up, then I bid, and he may sit on it or do it again.
There's also those that try and increase the value of a coin... I've noticed a few just browsing last night on ebay for a certain coin... an ms70 2011 first strike panda. I saw like one or two that were $140 sold... then the rest were around $60. That's the way I know of it.
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 Posted 03/18/2015  12:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add skip79 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting. I wouldn't have thought it was possible for a seller to bid on their own items. Or are you suggesting the culprit created a secondary 'dummy' account for shilling purposes?
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 Posted 03/18/2015  12:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tripoli to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No one forces to you to bid "too high"....If you are putting a bid on something, and it gets run up to your limit, what is the problem? No one is changing your bids to a higher amount, YOU are the only person that has put a limit on your bid, so why wouldn't you expect to pay this amount?
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coinsarecool, perhaps a link to the other threads, might help put this in context for all...
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 Posted 03/18/2015  12:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TheCoinHunter to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree that the practice can be frustrating. Especially if a buyer really wants the item. Saying that, I go to many live local auctions and almost all of them shill bid at some point and in some form. Reluctantly I would have to side with Tripoli on this. Know your price and know when to stop. Rule number one on ebay, use snipe or bid small increments so shill bidders can't bump you up. One thing to also be conscious of is that many sellers (especially high volume ones) also have regular buyers and its not uncommon to see higher % numbers of bids to those sellers. I for example bid heavily with a couple of European auction houses (on ebay) and if someone was to look at my buying % with those sellers, (depending on the time and my bidding activity) it may show close to 100% which may be interpreted by some as a potential shill bidder.
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Roger - good point and here are the links
https://goccf.com/t/215225
https://goccf.com/t/200682

I did not open this topic to discuss the moral clarity of shill bidding. Was just providing a name to those sellers who are familiar with the topic and want to block this person.

JeyRey2000 - understood the exact purpose of my post -
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twinklestars1234 is the shill bidder ID for canadian-coin-collector.


Prove it.
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Ya, I think proving it would be a great idea. That's a big thing to say about someone.
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 Posted 03/18/2015  3:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JeyRey2000 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Bobby read the two links provided and there should be enough evidence.
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 Posted 03/18/2015  3:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinsarecool to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Don't have to prove anything to you. Again, you either choose to take the information I provided and use it for your benefit or ignore it. This information came free with no strings attached. Why such a fuss?
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Bobby read the two links provided and there should be enough evidence.


There is ZERO proof there. None.


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Don't have to prove anything to you.


No you don't. But you certainly would to the law if the accused comes after you. If someone accused me of it they would certainly be signing for their mail in the near future.
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 Posted 03/18/2015  3:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinsarecool to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Bobby: would certainly be signing for their mail in the near future.?

What are you talking about? If you are wondering, we are talking about shill bidding, not missing mail.

Good day.
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 Posted 03/18/2015  3:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JeyRey2000 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There is enough evidence there for me to know not to deal with the seller. That same buyer has won auction and then given and received feedback and then coin pops up relisted. Same name has bid on many items of seller and then retracted bids. doesn't take too much intelligence to know whats going on!
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