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 Posted 03/22/2015  8:10 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add jack jeckel to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I saw this on ebay the other day and can't recall seeing any other coins in this brand slab. I think the logo says NCI.

A Google search brings up a post here from 2007 (and nothing since)

http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/...PIC_ID=12545

It seems as Condor101 mentioned they were linked to Heritage but I guess most were either cracked out or they didn't grade that many coins to begin with as again I have personally never seen another listed on ebay.

http://news.coinupdate.com/intervie...leries-0663/

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 Posted 03/22/2015  8:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westernsky to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't remember them so they weren't in business for long.

For what it's worth the coin looks 64'ish so the grade on this coin may be about right. If I remember correctly the later date Arkansas half dollars aren't anything to write home about as they usually come dull and lifeless.
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 Posted 03/23/2015  11:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
NCI was around from December 1984 to early 1990. It was owned by one of the Principals of Heritage and was located in the same building. Heritage says there was no official connection between the two but I have my doubts. NCI comes with eight generations of Photocertificates. Toward the ed of their run they used the photocertificates but also sealed the coins in the slab seen above. From the dates on the certificates it seems they used at least four of the certificate designs interchangably.

During the time NCI was in operation it was the "whipping boy" in the coin community and was considered lower than ACG. Today though the Graysheet on their table of "percentage of graysheet value" NCI is rated markedly higher than ACG. (Which is odd because you almost never see an NCI coin and the company has been out of business for 25 years.)
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N.C.I. (Numismatic Certification Institute) was created in 1984 through funding by Heritage Capital (Steve Ivy and Jim Halperin), Mr. Halperin, who is arguably one of the best graders in the coin business. Now Jim wasn't personally grading the NCI slabbed coins as I recall, by then he was working with Steve Ivy in building Heritage Coins, into Heritage Auctions (a collectible powerhouse today). Jim owned New England Rare Coin Galleries before joining up with Steve Ivy Rare Coins and the two of them then co-founded Heritage.

From an interview with Jim Halperin;

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In 1984, you and your partner, Steve Ivy, formed the Numismatic Certification Institute (N.C.I) in an attempt to standardize coin grading. The concept became the inspiration for the formation of the top grading companies today. Why didn't N.C.I continue to flourish?

JH: PCGS developed a better product. Also, PCGS's founder David Hall, whether accidentally or by design, tightened the grading standard (though that standard eventually loosened some years after we closed down. NCI and many NCI coins were subsequently graded the same or higher by PCGS). Our problem was that telemarketers began to overcharge for NCI-graded coins. Even though we had very specific disclosure on the back of every NCI certificate, many of telemarketers were still selling NCI coins at Grey Sheet prices, which were now based on PCGS standards. No one forced us to close NCI, which was still very profitable, but Steve and I realized this sort of activity wasn't good for the coin business in the long run, so we decided we wanted no part of it.


Jim wrote an excellent book on grading which I recommend to all coins collectors of United States issues. His book is free on line here: http://www.coingrading.com/ I would imagine the old NCI coins are collectible in their own right just for the holder to many slab aficionados. I paid for a couple of Peace dollar Photo Certs from them last year on ebay last year, I liked the dollars and the certificate/holders were really neat. I probably paid 1.5 times what the common Peace dollars were worth to get them.

According to another website (on TPG slabs) they claim Heritage actually sued NCI as the holder was so similar to their own holder back then. (What? They were the same company)!
That claim is wrong, however NCI was named in an action by the FTC. Here is a link to that from the LA Times http://articles.latimes.com/1989-08...ding-service
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According to another website (on TPG slabs) they claim Heritage actually sued NCI as the holder was so similar to their own holder back then. (What? They were the same company)!

Same people, not the same company. And as far as I know Heritage never had a holder of their own.
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