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Please Help Identify This 1892 P Morgan Silver Dollar

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 Posted 03/28/2015  12:03 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add spherian to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I bought this coin yesterday at a local coin shop. The existence of some original luster is what drew me to it. It wasn't until I got it home that I noticed a few irregularities. First, I noticed that the 2 of the year stamp was slightly crooked. Then I noticed the G in the reverse motto was not properly stamped. Then I noticed very fine scuffs in a straight pattern on both sides of the coin, almost as if it had been polished. However, the lines are perfectly straight and go exactly the same direction on both sides. Hopefully, all of these are visible in the pictures. Then I weighed it. I was surprised to find that it weighed 26.7 grams. Is this a fake? I could not find any other examples like this in my internet search. Please help. Thanks.


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 Posted 03/28/2015  12:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It is most definitely fake. If it's the proper weigh it is likely thicker than an authentic Morgan. Return it while you can.

Here is a link to what authentic 1892 Morgans look like. If your coin was authentic it would be considered a far date location, VAMs 2 & 6. http://www.vamworld.com/1892-P+Obverses

Oh, and to CCF.
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03/28/2015 12:18 pm
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 Posted 03/28/2015  12:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tbolts10 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The 9 looks even more odd to me than the 2. Definitely something going on here.... wish I had more information but I'm not super familiar with these.
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 Posted 03/28/2015  12:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add spherian to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You're right. It is slightly thicker than my other Morgans.
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That "9" leapt off the screen when I saw it. It just isn't even remotely correct. The "G" in God makes me think this is a cast copy.
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Cast copy. Aside the date digits which scream to anyone who knows Morgans, there isn't an 1892 with the date in this lateral position.
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It is, without a doubt, a fake Morgan. :-(
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 Posted 03/28/2015  2:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add spherian to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank-you everyone! I called the dealer and although he insists it's not fake, he has no problem taking it back.
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Thank-you everyone! I called the dealer and although he insists it's not fake, he has no problem taking it back.


Good on him. Let him know the date doesn't pass a casual inspection of anyone who knows Morgans, so he needs to sharpen his skills.
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I can see a fake getting by a "we buy gold and silver" MAYBE. Any and every coin dealer should recognize a fake such as this at first glance from a distance.
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That askew "2" shouldn't have been missed by any dealer worth the title. Even though he's making this right, I'd seriously consider taking my future business elsewhere.
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Well, don't be too hard on the guy without knowing how strong he normally is with Morgans. Not all dealers are generalists, and as surprising as it may seem there are those who don't know Morgans. They don't have a family commonality like Seateds or Busts where knowledge crosses denominations.
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Dave, I think you are being too kind. Morgans are by far the most collected classic coin. There is no excuse for a dealer not to know Morgans. Especially if they are going to be selling them.
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