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A Question About "Regionallity"

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I'm not even sure "Regionallity" is a word and if it is, I'm not sure I spelled it correctly. I am wondering if there is a way to map the location of errors and varieties in order to determine what denominations and errors would be most probable to be found in a particular part of the country. For instance, I was just surfing the web, looking up coin stuff, and came across the "PCGS Top 100 Modern Coins" list. It lists the 1982 "No P" or missing mintmark as number 45 on the list. Here is what it says:

45 1982 10C No Mintmark - Strong, MS 15,000 15,000
Released by mistake without the mintmark.
Most were found in the Ohio area.


PCGS also has an article written about the same coin. Here is what it says:

The 1982 No Mintmark dimes were first discovered in late December, 1982. Credit for the discovery is shared by Walter Placzankis, Andrew Macdonald and Lane Durkee. The largest concentration of these error coins was in the area around Sandusky, Ohio, where approximately 8,000 to 10,000 of them were found. All of the coins from the Sandusky area display strong strikes with a date separated from the rim of the coin. Many of the error coins were given out as change to visitors at the Cedar Point Amusement Park. Additional error coins eventually turned up in circulation.

In August 1983, more 1982 No Mintmark dimes were reported in Pittsburgh. The original estimate for this hoard was in the 3,000 to 5,000 range. The coins from this hoard were weakly struck, as opposed to the strong strikes found in Sandusky. On the weakly struck examples, the number "2" of the date is weak and closer to the rim when compared to the well-struck examples.

Both varieties of the "Weak" and "Strong" 1982 No P Mint Mark Dimes were traced to mint bags that came from the Federal Reserve Bank of Cleveland. Later, additional 1982 No Mintmark dimes were found in the Boston area, giving the indication that at least part of the Cleveland shipment ended up in Boston. Most of the uncirculated examples were retrieved directly from the Citizen's Bank or from some of the dealers who purchased them from local bank tellers. The discoveries were pinpointed to three major locations, thus providing some very crucial clues as to how many coins were released.

A prominent Toledo coin dealer by the name of Clyde Englehardt owned about 1,500 of these error coins at one time; this is the area where most of the coins were found. Clyde, who has been dealing in coins since 1960, is also mentioned in Walter Breen's Encyclopedia of U.S. Coins.

When we interviewed Clyde, he reminisced about the early 1980s, just as the coins were being discovered and how the local dealers and bank tellers would offer him 1982 No Mintmark dimes by the roll!


That makes me wonder.....why were most found in Ohio? Probably because of the means of distribution. Obviously, that batch of dimes all were made at the same time. Therefore we can assume they were bagged together or with a mix of dimes that did have the proper mint mark. I assume that concentration of error dimes were then shipped to a coin/currency distributor (I.E. Dunbar, Brinks, Loomis, etc. Armored Service), rolled and shipped to banks in the Ohio area for distribution to customers. I love how in that article they are able to track the error coins down to a specific point of distribution ("a local amusement park"). Keep that in mind as you read the rest of this.

If I were a coin collector in the Ohio area, then I would especially want to be on the lookout for that particular error coin. I would want to check every 1982 dime I came across.

I once had a guy at a local coin shop tell me that most of the 2005 "Speared Bison" Nickels were all found in the New Mexico/Texas (can't remember which one he said) area and that no one would ever find one in a roll here in California. I don't know if he was correct or not, but it is an interesting thought.

A simpler example of "Regionallity" I assume would be Denver and especially San Francisco RPM's for instance. I would guess folks on the East Coast encounter fewer D and S mintmark coins and therefore have less of a chance of finding D and S RPM's. Being on the West Coast myself, I have pretty much resigned myself to the fact that I will probably NEVER find a 1998, 1999, or 2000 Wide "AM" Lincoln Cent since I rarely see Philadelphia mint coins.

But that got me to thinking.....what AM I more likely to find? If I knew what errors and varieties were released in my area, I would of course want to pay more attention to those denominations, years, etc. Is there any way to know? If so, where would I look to find that information? If that information doesn't exist, would there be a way to compile it into a resource for other collectors?

I envision a website with a map of the United States where you click on a state and it would then tell you what the "Regional Probability" of finding particular coins would be for your area. I'm pretty sure this isn't possible due to folks migrating and moving the coins around the country, but it sure would be cool if it could be done!

With all of that said, are any of you aware of any other coins that have a specific "Regionallity"?

Thanks for reading my long post and rambling.....

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I put this in the wrong forum... :( Could a moderator move to errors and varieties please? Thanks and sorry....
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Interesting thought. I have read that certain regions are predisposed to finding this and that, but I think another important element is timing. For instance, those events were likely a flash in he pan, the origin of a release and then things got dispersed quickly. That said, I imagine it's like fishing in a stocked lake; better near the release points for the first few days until the fish find spots of their own. Sooo...it would be cool to have a thread where the events of the past...and maybe more current can be cataloged for us variety hunters.

I like your thinking!
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The Wisconsin State Quarter errors were found in two locations Tucson, AZ and San Antonio, TX. (note sure of exact location, but it was in Texas) But I live 120 Miles north of Tucson and didn't see a single coin with that variety. I told my Son about and he lived there (Tucson) and didn't find a one either. They were snagged up quickly and sold for the big bucks. That is why I check every coin to see if something new was released in my area. I also heard the 1972D-1DO-003 was released in the Arkansas areas. So if you find something new, You have to jump on it as quickly as possible and sometimes keep it to yourself. Another case in point was the 2006-P Doubled dies were found heavy in Ohio. I know the finder got a box and the where packed with them. Several different types in the same box.
http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/...ie_state=mds
http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/...ie_state=mds
http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/...ie_state=mds
Later that same year he found this one:
http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/...ie_state=eds
He struck pay dirt when he found his boxes.
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