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Ike And Kennedy Proofs, Surface Problems

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 Posted 11/24/2007  3:14 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add tonphil1960 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I have a bunch of Ike and Kennedy Proofs, not the best proofs I have ever seen but nice enough. I store them in a safe here in a cool room. Took them out today and they all seem "frosted" not in a good way either. is the temp. difference of 10 degrees causing this? These coins were nice and Proof shiny when put away last year. They were in Flips, which I will not use again for Proofs as I think the flips had something to do with this? I am not really a proof guy except for OGP sets. So any thoughts from you guys and gals are welcome.

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 Posted 11/24/2007  4:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Metalman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Tony

Its not likely that any thing will remove the haze on the coins ,, unless its PVC from the flips ,,you could try pure acetone ,,if soaking the coins does not take it off then its likely there to stay .

Temperature variations are an enemy to coins ,,since humidity and temperature seem to go together .



Sorry !

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 Posted 11/24/2007  8:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gcpd35 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not trying to hijack the thread, but what is a good way to store found proof coins to keep this from happening? Should I use 2x2's, plastic holders, or flips?
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put some of them moisture absorbers in your safe. I have 4 in mine and have never had a problem and it gets to the high 120's here in Tucson with a lot of humidity this year and I have had no problems at all with the haze. if you used the older type flips they could have PVC but the newer one's are PVC free and wont hurt your coins
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 Posted 11/24/2007  10:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add InfiniteInterest to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My dealer has the same problem with the proof coins stored for lengthly periods in the plastic flips. His solution is to pour a little ammonia over the coin and rinse , they look beautiful when done. This will take away the haze without damaging the surface in any way. I personally use regular straight ammonia when I have to, he has some sudsy ammonia he uses - either seems to work fine but the sudsy ammonia does not have quite as pungent an odor as the straight stuff. Use in a well ventilated area !

I store my single proofs in the cardboard 2x2's and have not had a problem .
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 Posted 11/25/2007  12:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tonphil1960 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks all, I have put them in carboard 2x2's. I like them better anyway. I will leave them alone and see what happens. If they tone up nice that would be good,as long as they don;t just look like heII.

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I would be sure its not PVC before putting them anywhere, PVC will ruin the coin if not addressed as soon as possible
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I agree with Bryan ,,its worth a soak in Acetone just to be sure ,,and then holder the coins ,, at least you can have that bit of peace of mind .




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 Posted 11/25/2007  2:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tonphil1960 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Maybe I'll give it a shot. Naver used acetone before. I need the pure acetone correct? Not nailpolish remover.?

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Yep Pure acetone ! Fingnail poish remover has other things added to it .

Be sure and use a glass container to soak the coins in !

Let us know how it goes .

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I'll give it a shot, see what happens.

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quote:
My dealer has the same problem with the proof coins stored for lengthly periods in the plastic flips. His solution is to pour a little ammonia over the coin and rinse , they look beautiful when done. This will take away the haze without damaging the surface in any way. I personally use regular straight ammonia when I have to, he has some sudsy ammonia he uses - either seems to work fine but the sudsy ammonia does not have quite as pungent an odor as the straight stuff.

I've never liked the idea of using ammonia on a coin. It works a similar reason that dipping a coin in a mild acid solution works, it strips the reacted material from the surface and if done enough times it will strip the luster or proof finish away as well. The only difference is that in the dip you are using an acid and with the ammonia you're using a base. (Take chemistry folks, it's very enlightening.)

And if I did use his method I would agree that you should use the straight ammonia and not the sudsy ammonia. The sudsy is that way for a reason. It has a detergent in it and a rinse with that will leave a film on the coin that will attract other dirt and which may itself react with the coin.
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 Posted 11/27/2007  4:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tonphil1960 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I looked at the coins yesterday and they all came back to normal except one. I guess it was the humidity or Temp. change from the safe. I managed to really screw one up putting in an album, but out of the 15 or so coins I have only 2 losses. I am interested in how the hazed might tone up if left out to the air for a while, I don't mind a nice Toner now and then.

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