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1988 Lincoln Memorial Cent Error? Brockeage?

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 Posted 11/25/2007  10:13 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add LobsterMan to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I found this cent looking through rolls from a local bank here in Maine....anyone have an idea what may have happened to it?.....any value?...thanks so much...LobsterMan

1988-Lincoln-Memorial-Cent-Error?-Brockeage? 1988-Lincoln-Memorial-Cent-Error?-Brockeage?
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 Posted 11/25/2007  10:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bmanofnbc to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like a brokage to me, I've never found one myself.

Here is a definition I found online:

A coin exhibiting an error caused by the failure of the coin press to release the previous coin from the die before striking it. The design from the first coin is imprinted, sunken in reverse, on the second coin. Brokage coins appear to have the same design on both sides with one side showing a reverse or mirror strike which, because the previous coin acts as the die, does not usually have the same quality of detail.
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 Posted 11/25/2007  11:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jim1953 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am not sure about this, but it would seem to me that if a coins stayed on the collar and a 2nd planchet was then placed over the top of the 1st coin, you would have the same image on the obverse and reverse. the obverse die would strike the obverse of the second coin and the 1st coin still in the collar would strike the reverse of the 2nd coin. I am just postulating, but this would seem correct. Anyway, I can't see well from these pics but I am thinking a vise job.
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 Posted 11/25/2007  1:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Post mint error. Looks like Jim said, a "Vise Job." Maybe we should call "Miami Vice?"
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 Posted 11/25/2007  1:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add LobsterMan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the help guys...but I don't think it is a vise coin.
You can clearly see there is cooper missing on the obv, yet still
read liberty and the date...and on the rev under a glass you can see the letters are cut very sharp and deep...maybe I'm wrong.
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 Posted 11/25/2007  2:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Man coins like this are so hard to tell if they are authentic from pictures, I would suggest to find a reputable dealer and let him look at it and see what he thinks about it. If the dealer says its a vise job but offers to buy it for "studying purposes" just find another dealer, preferably one that deals in errors
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 Posted 11/25/2007  11:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add foundinrolls to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry, nothing tough about this one. It is post mint damage. No Brockage, It is in fact a squeeze job.
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 Posted 11/26/2007  3:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add LobsterMan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I took this coin to a long time dealer today...he took a long look at it and said it is not a vise job, he said it couldn't have been squeezed and still have all the raised letters and high points.
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 Posted 11/26/2007  4:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errorcoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Your dealer IS WRONG.

It is a vise job or hammer job, 100% for sure.

Not an error, post mint damage, no value.

BTW welcome.

errrror
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 Posted 11/26/2007  5:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add LobsterMan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the welcome error, ....I know you are a pro and very good at error coins, but to say 100% sure it is a hammer job just by these pictures may be wrong...the pictures do the coin no justice, I am looking for a QX5 to take better pictures.
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 Posted 11/26/2007  6:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errorcoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Lobster, 100% for sure on this.

I am not a pro but workings towards it.


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 Posted 11/28/2007  12:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add foundinrolls to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As I mentioned, and Errorcoins mentioned it is 100% a squeeze job. Your dealer really is not correct on this one. Looking at both sides of the coin makes it obvious that it was placed between a washer and a coin then put in a vise and squeezed.
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 Posted 11/28/2007  09:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add LobsterMan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I know it looks like a squeeze job....but if it was placed between a washer and a coin then put in a vise and squeezed, the liberty and date would be flattened out, not still raised...I bought a qx5 on ebay, should have it in 4-5 days...you guys may be surprised on this one.
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 Posted 11/28/2007  10:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add foundinrolls to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I like surprises. A better picture might help and I'm open to changing my mind if I see something different.

Realize that the washer and second coin scenario is still very likely. The LIBERTY and DATE would not be obliterated just pressed down. The raised circular area in the center of the obverse still makes it look like a washer was part of the sandwich.

Let's see what the new pictures reveal when you are able to add them.
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 Posted 11/29/2007  08:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add LobsterMan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Bill...this is what I have been saying....the LIBERTY and DATE are not pressed down...they are still raised...I will post better pics soon.
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The letters on the reverse are reversed so it was pressed from another coin. On a brokerage coin the reverse is normal and the obverse is distorted. If you have a vise, washer Two Cents, you can make one and you will know what it is as YOU made your example to compare with your first coin.
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