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Will Online Buyng Mean The End Of LCS's In The Future?

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 Posted 04/04/2015  06:50 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add macdon to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Just wondering about the future buying habits of collectors. I do 99% of my buying off internet e.g auctions ebay ccf a few family members and when I do a visit to LCS very little foot traffic is evident?
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 Posted 04/04/2015  07:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add T-BOP to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't think so. collectors still enjoy the satisfaction of seeing coin in hand. so it's either LCS or coin shows. my experience with BIN or BID online has not been too
rewarding for me. I would say 65 % of the time I have received inferior or problem coins. yes every once in a while you connect with a beauty .
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 Posted 04/04/2015  07:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Fixguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'll buy far more seeing the coin in hand than I ever would on the internet. While I do have sellers online I trust, it's just not the same. The personal relationship you develop over time can't be duplicated online.
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 Posted 04/04/2015  08:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TheForce to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The internet is my lifeline. If not for ebay I wouldn't really be able to collect as there aren't any LCS in my area. Plus I doubt coin shops that I could drive to, (over an hour away) would deal much in Canadian coinage.
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 Posted 04/04/2015  09:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
All my collection has come from public auction, coin shows and coin dealers.

I prefer public auction for big ticket items. I have always examined every lot in hand that I have been interested in, before submitting a single price written bid. That has been my modus operandum for four decades.

Nevertheless, the greatest number of coins which make up my collection have come from junk boxes at dealers and coin shows.

Every coin in my collection has been examined in hand before purchase, even if it has had to travel halfway around the World first.
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 Posted 04/04/2015  09:33 am  Show Profile   Check Pacificoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Pacificoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It sure looks like the bricks and mortars will go the way of the DINOS. The world is a rapidly changing place when it comes to retail so why would coins be any different. Today ebay is the coin market like it or not. Most major coin dealers and auction houses also have an online presence. Same businesses just a different way of doing it.
I owned a coin shop for 14 years , issued mail order lists and travelled the heck out of the coin show circuit. You would have high powered coins sit in a show case basically forever as your market was very limited. The Internet has changed the coin business in a mind boggling radical way. So in the 21st century as with any other business it is adapt or die.
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 Posted 04/04/2015  10:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Scissel to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I did a LOT more coin buying on ebay 10-15 years ago when you could get an item shipped for the cost of an envelope or bubble mailer. I made payments with money orders, USD cash or the original PayPal (before being bought out by ebay). Now the fees and Global Shipping policy are a big turn-off. The quality of items online also seems to have generally deteriorated over time. I'd much rather head down to my LCS and pick up some great deals for a reasonable price. Local coin shows are another good option.
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 Posted 04/04/2015  11:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Alexer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Any well traveled highway will have items for sale be it the Internet or Interstate. Most coin shops offer more than just coins they mix it up with hobbies, jewelery, pawn shop or what have you. What people seem to go for is one stop shopping, so, well timed location location location on whatever highway. What comes around goes around who knows what the next fad will be. The internet is getting more dangerous and invasive all the time, should be interesting to see what the next 20 yrs will bring. I despise outrageous shipping fees on average priced items, rather put the dough in the gas tank.
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 Posted 04/04/2015  12:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Neo13x to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The LCS I know of sell items online through their personal webpage or ebay, or I can just walk in and see the item before I buy it. If a business wants to limit their sales through in store purchase only then they are losing business IMO. Regardless of the ability to purchase online there are always people in the store buying something.
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The brick & mortar store that successfully integrates online and mobile buying channels into its physical store strategy will do best IMO. This is for a couple reasons:
- Coin buyers will only get "younger" and more tech. savvy as time goes on.
- The online market is larger and will allow B&Ms to sell unique and niche items at higher margins. Most niche collectors currently rely on the internet to find what they need; it's hard to find any niche item in quantity in a regional search.
- A physical store is still appealing for those that like to view in-hand before buying. Using the physical store to draw sales to your online channels and vice versa will help drive up sales.

Or, a store could simply try to make a killing on PMs.
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 Posted 04/04/2015  3:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TheCoinHunter to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Many brick and mortar coin shops have gone towards metals and a large percentage of their profit comes from turning over junk gold/silver and bullion sales. Some have gone into a wider range of products (other collectibles, jewelry, antiques, etc...). You also see many coin "dealers/sellers" at antique malls and flea markets to reduce overhead. I know an Ontario dealer who only spends time in malls and the coin show circuit. It works for him. The other model is the barrage of roadshows that pay very little for stock (I like to call it village pillaging) and sell on ebay (one of the IDs is well known to this forum). I have a storefront but 80% of my numismatic sales are online or through collectors/connections/dealers at a distance. The store does facilitate the sale of bullion product and being able to more easily acquire numismatic coins. If you can make the overhead work for you, doing both is the best of both worlds. One thing for sure, it's the online marketplace that will drive hobby and the prices of coins.
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 Posted 04/05/2015  1:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gilles Pavot-Drapeau to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Since the internet and ebay has come along the hobby of collecting and buying & selling collectibles has change forever!

I have bought and sold literally thousands of coins from and to collectors and dealers all over the world. Yes there can be some bad experience but such is true for any business including the real store.

Going to a shop in person is still fun but limited inventory compare to have the wholed world at your fingertip.

Especially young people now they want to shop online. it is absolute important now to market online if you want to sell. and so convenient to buy on internet.

Buy from seller on ebay with lots of history and top feedback marks, only buy from the guy who guarantee full money back return if you don't like the coin when you get it, and look for good quality pictures and lots of info contain in the listing.

And don't get rip-off by paying sellers in Canada by US $ funding. Man that ticks me off :(

Happy Easter to you all!

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 Posted 04/05/2015  3:23 pm  Show Profile   Check Pacificoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Pacificoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Selling in Us Dollars is not a big deal.We have done so from the start. All of our ebay PayPal expenses are US dollars as are most of our foreign shipping costs. Sure didn't hear complaints when we were only getting 93 cents on the dollar. If you sell in any other currency except USD you are not going to do well on ebay. Also the Canadian market ( even though we are based here) is pretty irrelevant to our business model. We sell over 70 per cent export and MOST of our better Canadian Coins end up in the USA . Simply put MOST Canadian collectors (not all) do not pay big money for coins. A bigger reason than dollar exchange is the TAX factor. We are GST HST registered and must collect and remit.
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 Posted 04/05/2015  4:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Osiris to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Another factor that may reduce the impact of LCS operations in future is the average age of the owners of those stores. Who is going to buy them and continue operations?

While it's nice to have the coin in hand before you buy, it's been just as good for me shopping online. There are Canadian stores that have websites with good quality photos, and ebay vendors too.

There are many advantages to ebay for the buyer, not the least of which is less tax paid, even if there is a shipping charge. Also, the prices listed in store by any LCS I've seen are typically higher than those on ebay. It's a buyer's market, and the online vendors offer the best deals.

If the photos are good, I've never been disappointed with an online deal. Sometimes I take a chance because photos are blurred, and that's at my risk. Some of those work out great, and others I get what I thought I would.
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 Posted 04/05/2015  4:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add duncanbishop24 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think coinshows may increase in popularity and LCS decreases due to internet, but the shows will become a larger part of the hobby to still have the "coin in hand" buying experience.
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 Posted 04/06/2015  11:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TheCoinHunter to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm with PC. Many of my Canadian coins also go to export into the US (and some world wide). And although I list in both currencies to try to cater to each market, I often get better results listing in USD. I think calling it a "rip off" is strong statement which insinuates some sort of wrong doing. It's purely a market decision. I also agree with PC that very few Canadians spend big dollars on coins (at least at the moment) so I also position my business towards foreign markets and bullion. It seems that many Canadian buyers are currently insisting on 50/60% trends for non key year coins in good grades and often significantly less for lower grades. It should be no surprise that dealers offer 20/30% of trends for older stock or melt for many modern day non popular NCLT coins. It's a different story down south. The Canadian market mostly collects Canadian coins, the US market offers customers that collect a much wider range of coins. Not only does the US market offer great prices for American numismatic material, it also offers buyers for coins that would never sell here.
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