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My friend at the LCS told me that even acetone or any chemical used to clean a coin without damaging the coin and you send it in for grading.

They have a sniffer outfit that will call it cleaned in the report. It detects any trace of chemical even alchol or acetone, verdigras etc

He just had a 1879CC Morgan come back in AU condition with cleaned on the slab, but I looked at the coin and shows no evidence or scratches of cleaning.

Coin Looks good I have a couple that I wanted to slab but now not sure if I do anything to them. Any feedback?

Thanks
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Whoa, they must be using trained honey bees... Only way I know of to detect minute trace smells... SERIOUSLY look it up... They use photo optics to detect the bees tounge dropping after it has been trained to detect a particular scent using a sugar reward!

-BadThad please chime in here... Time to remix the formula? lol
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But does acetone or alcohol scent linger is the question. I'm no chemist but I would think not
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Cacade, I wouldn't think it would linger, but I have a gold proof that has been touched and I was going to acetone it and he said no, and some key cents in AU that I was going to do the same. First time Ive heard that, I know it evaporates quickly
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Let's wait for the experts here to chime in or ppl who have recently subed an acetone coin for their thoughts... Also, does this mean that the TPG "conserved" coins go into details slabs? Lol
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Acetone is too volatile to "linger" on a coin. I'm willing to bet the coin took an early cleaning long before it took its acetone bath.
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There are plenty of acetoned and even dipped coins in righteous slabs. But yea, I'll defer to the experts on this one about the sniffer.
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I will stop by his shop and ask him which service it was since he is letting me send my coins in his shipment for grading next week and I don't want a surprise. I wanted do a rinse with acetone since the copper have been in the albums for many years and with the fakes out there.

I'mgetting to worry about keeping the values if I check out and they need to be sold by heirs to get true value.
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Just a thought but maybe your lcs guy is counting on buying your collection UNGRADED from your heirs? I would listen to the collective experts here.
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I believe the only sort of non-visual, surface analysis that is being done at the TPGs is under the PCGS Secure service. They have a machine, nicknamed "the sniffer", that detects organic substances on coins. If I remember correctly, acetone will show up in their analysis, but they will deem it "surfaces altered" rather than "cleaned".

There must be some other characteristic of the Morgan $ in the OP that convinced them that it was cleaned.
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Considering we like acetone so much because it evaporates instantly without leaving a chemical trace....
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About 90% of all pre 1900coins have been previously cleaned. PCGS, NGC and ANACS will straight grade 'cleaned' coins, it is when they have decided that the coins have been 'improperly' cleaned that they details grade the coin. There are a few things that will determine this: who the submitter is ie.(David Lawrence vs Joe Blow), who the graders are that day (for the census), how severe the cleaning was(hairlines, scratches, color etc.). Remember, grading is a business, they want you to resubmit as often as possible. As for acetone, when I worked in the grading/appraisal room at Heritage, I can tell you that virtually all coins, except proofs, where dipped in an acetone bath before submission to a TPG.
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Here, here!
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I've rinsed coins in acetone before submitting them to ANACS without any problems.
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Pros and beginners alike use acetone. The only recommendation against it is if what's on the coin shouldn't be removed.
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I can't even start to imagine what type of machine could detect Acetone used on a coin. Especially if done and sent in for grading weeks or even Months after the Acetone usage.
Of course if the TPGS has cameras in your house and sees you doing this, then yes, they would say something.
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