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Hello

What is your opinion on this one

There is part of the ribbon missing above the eagles head
Weight 27.19

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What is that weird pitting around Miss Liberty's head and between the Eagle's head and right wing?
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I am not sure looks like surface damage.

The coin does not have any natural luster.

There are hairlines under the patina, maybe it was treated with chemicals ?
Could the pitting be damage from acid ?
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Surfaces are weird but all the physical details seem appropriate to me. I wonder if this thing got lost for a long time in a caustic factory environment or something like that, and whoever found it tried to clean all the damage off?
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The eagle's eye doesn't look a little strange to anyone else?
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I think the coin is real but suffers from weird environmental damage of some type.

Whatever it is, it will need to be TPG'd to be marketed in this day and age with so many counterfeit Trade dollars on the marketplace.
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The eagle's eye doesn't look a little strange to anyone else?


Looks about right to me.
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Agree with westernsky
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If it is real, it is the very rare type I/I die pairing.
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Thank you everybody for your contribution

Examining the coin on hand the strike looks pretty good and the feel is right

The only thing that threw me off was the weird looking surface and part of the missing ribbon between E and Pluribus
Is that a die error ?

I thought I would give this coin a chance I like the toning and the details are rather nice it looks battered on the pictures but on hand the surface problem doesn't really distract from the coins appeal

Conder101

Isn't the I/I pairing rather common. I measured the mint mark as well it appears to be under 1-mm if I measured correctly

I found this on pcgs
2.Medium S: Mintmark .9 mm high. Not in Walter H. Breen's Encyclopedia. Extremely rare. Discovered by Jack Beymer. The only ones seen to date have no period after FINE; this is from hub damage and probably occurs on some other 1876 Type I reverses of various mints.

Mine still has a period after fine however
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Mark Borckhardt did a small study of Types and found the Type I/I 1876-S to comprise 62% of the coins surveyed, with I/II and II/II sharing the rest.
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I've been thinking of branching out to Trade dollars... Every time someone posts one the beautiful and intricate design seems to rub off on me a little more. Now you go and post one with color and I think I'm hooked ...it's almost like a deconstructed and rearranged Morgan after a night of partying
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Here's mine, this should hook you

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1878-S-US-M...c&rmvSB=true
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I could swear I got that info from the Bowers-Borchart book, but going back to find it again I must have been on something because I have NO idea how I misinterpreted that.
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Conder here's the page from that book http://www.pcgs.com/books/silver-do...ngs-036.aspx

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I could swear I got that info from the Bowers-Borchart book, but going back to find it again I must have been on something because I have NO idea how I misinterpreted that.


In truth, the sample size he mentioned was only like 25 coins. Anyone here with a Heritage membership could better that in a short period of time. In fact, tonight I probably will.
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