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Edited by CoinCollector2000
04/08/2015 5:49 pm
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Don't think it's a Cud. coop might chime in soon. John1  |
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It's certainly not Die Deterioration. The lines you see are raised, thus indicting a break/crack in the die. A Cud is a die break, or at least that is my understanding. The only thing about this coin is that the break was retained, and the metal "blob" that is associated with Cuds does not show. |
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Very interesting.  I am definitely looking forward to the expert commentary. |
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It's certainly a crack. I don't know enough about Ikes to be certain it's a Cud - on a Morgan, it wouldn't be but the rim is more detailed on them and you can clearly see where the crack reaches into it. I'd need to know more about how much of the rim we see is formed by the collar, in order to offer a more intelligent opinion. Like so:  |
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Edited by CoinCollector2000
04/08/2015 5:57 pm
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That one stops at the beginning of the rim, too. I can't buy that as a Cud, but I reiterate my lack of certainty. |
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From what I see on both coins I see die cracks and not Retained Cuds. To make the transition from a die crack to a Retained Cud the cracked piece must break loose from the die and the area struck by the loose piece should show horizontal displacement from the rest of the coin. |
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Peripheral Die Deterioration, as I understand it, leaves the die with a worn off area which would result in a raised area on the coin. |
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The "Y" on the Ike one, looks like a Retained Cud. Just hasn't fallen off yet. The others looks like die breaks so far. |
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Coop is right on . From what I know is Retained Cud is a crack from rim to rim where the peice has not fallen off yet. If the peice falls off then it is a Cud which if you ask me is a die chip on the edge of the die . So the one on the obverse is Retained Cud and the other has not made its way to the rim yet but I bet it will. I also bet it was a die clash that caused it but I could be wrong just speculating that last part but seems very possible since the damage is done in the same side where the dies would hit in a clash Edited by tweak800
04/09/2015 01:14 am
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I need to verify what I was saying. Both Ikes above (the one starting this thread and the one in the ebay link are just die cracks. I when I answered I missed the Morgan and I agree that one is a Retained Cud. You can see the vertical displacement on it. |
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Edited by John1
04/09/2015 08:37 am
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That coin shows great promise below the bust for a Retained Cud |
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Coop made the same point about that coin that I'm making about this one, and he knows a ton more about Modern processes than I.
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