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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Hopefully I got the right forum. This coin got my attention, but I don't know anything about it. Is it even gold? Any help with the attribution and value would be great. is the opening bid a fair price? Thanks. Ed http://www.ebay.com/itm/1063-1072-A...11641889160? |
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Moderator
 United States
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Yes your in the right place. PCI is at the bottom of coin grading services, so as far as I'm concerned that slab is worthless. The coin is Islamic but from where I couldn't say. There are others here that are a lot better with these than I am.
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Pillar of the Community
Spain
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I think that probably is not possible to determine anything more about this coin...
You can read the religious zones only, the mint, the ruler, the year...
...all is missing
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
7375 Posts |
Since it's a "dinar" does that mean it's gold?
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Moderator
United States
23731 Posts |
It looks like gold, but we can't be sure that it is a dinar without the size and weight.
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Moderator
United States
23731 Posts |
OK I did a little searching, what I can tell you is that it appears to be Abbassid. The ones that I found weight from 9- 5 grams and average around 30 mm.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
7375 Posts |
Thanks for your help, much appreciated.
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Moderator
Australia
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The "slab is worthless" primarily because it fails at one of the fundamental reasons why slabs exist: authentication. Because it's impossible to offer an opinion on the "authenticity" of something you don't even bother identifying properly. The "1063-1072" date range is suspiciously precise; they must have had some reason for putting that there. That date range actually correlates nicely with the reign of Seljuk sultan Alp Arslan, so someone (either PCI or the person who submitted it to them) presumably believed it was a gold dinar from that ruler of that empire. Why they couldn't make the effort to put some of that detail on the slab I don't know. Comparing your coin with the examples on zeno.ru, I can see some similarities, but this coin is too worn/weakly struck for me to be of much help in IDing with confidence. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Pillar of the Community
Spain
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If I must buy a coin like this, I´m going to pay ONLY metal value and...
How much gold?
I can understand that is very difficult to determine country, ruler, year, but...
Weight?
I suppose that they might have a scales...
It´s sounds badly...
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Pillar of the Community
United States
7375 Posts |
Just way (weigh) to many unknowns to risk it on this one. Can't remember the last time I bought gold, and this one kind of grabbed me. Probably a good reason no one has bid on it. I messaged the seller yesterday and asked him how he even knew it was "gold" like he states in his listing, and haven't heard back yet. I've done a little research and haven't found a coin that matches yet. It seems there is enough detail in the center of the coin to match it up, but so far nothing.
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Moderator
Australia
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Part of the problem is that, with these mediaeval Islamic coins, the text in the centre is pretty much the same on every coin, the standard statement of faith "No god by Allah", "Mohammed is the prophet of Allah", etc.. The parts that actually tell you the things that we collectors want and need to know (like the date and mintmark) are in the surrounding legends - and those are the very bits that are unreadable on this coin. Still, for anyone in the future who wants to have a go at a full attribution of it, here are the pics, cropped and rotated properly.  Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Valued Member
United States
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This is a AV dinar of the Great Seljuq, Alp Arslan. The Abbasid caliph al-Qa'im bi-Amr Allah is cited on the obverse, and Alp Arslan is named on the reverse along with the titles of Malik al-Islam (ruler of Islam, in Arabic) and Shahanshah (king of kings, in Farsi). I believe it is Album #1670 (scares to rare, depending on mint/date) but I've seen several offered recently.
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Posted 04/13/2015 7:25 pm
