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BlueSolo Pillar of the Community United States 740 Posts	Posted 04/13/2015 10:18 pm Just found my first Retained Cud with this 1971 D Kennedy : ) If this is how I should expect to see a Retained Cud, that really confirms the lamination error on my last half dollar post: https://goccf.com/t/226696 Report this Post to the Staff

SilverStackerKid Pillar of the Community United States 6478 Posts	Posted 04/13/2015 10:28 pm Nice one! Did you check Cuds on coins to see which one it would turn into? Report this Post to the Staff
BlueSolo Pillar of the Community United States 740 Posts	Posted 04/13/2015 10:40 pm I had googled for it but didn't know of that site you mentioned. I can't find any Cuds that match it here: http://cuds-on-coins.com/kennedy-ha...964-present/ but it is a nice suggestion for future coins I find, Thank you : ). There wasn't anything listed under Retained Cuds either. Report this Post to the Staff
John1 Moderator United States 56855 Posts	Posted 04/14/2015 08:41 am Do a search here on CCF. I think I seen one not long ago here on CCF. John1 Report this Post to the Staff
coop Bedrock of the Community United States 62064 Posts	Posted 04/14/2015 11:36 am It looks like a die crack at this point. I see no shift of the area next to the rim. It maybe moveing toward a Cud in the future, but at this point I just see a crack going on in this area. Report this Post to the Staff
pyrbob Rest in Peace United States 1943 Posts	Posted 04/14/2015 5:00 pm Just like Coop I see a rim to rim die crack but no indication it is a Cud yet. Report this Post to the Staff
BlueSolo Pillar of the Community United States 740 Posts	Posted 04/14/2015 7:09 pm I thought that's what the Retained Cud meant, my mistake. So a Retained Cud is only when the chunk is shifted/raised/lowered? Then I agree, just a die crack for now : ) Report this Post to the Staff
coop Bedrock of the Community United States 62064 Posts	Posted 04/14/2015 7:16 pm You can see the pattern affected on a Retained Cud. Sometimes a jog in the rim: Report this Post to the Staff
SsuperDdave Moderator United States 23522 Posts	Posted 04/14/2015 7:44 pm Coop's top image there helps to answer a question I've had for a while about Retained Cuds in Modern coinage with less-complex rim areas than Classics. On a Morgan, I know where a crack should reach on the rim before I consider a Cud, but less so with Moderns because it's tough to tell where the collar begins to be involved. Peace dollars suffered a lot of pre-cud cracks very similar to this Kennedy. Some eventually developed into Cuds. Report this Post to the Staff
BlueSolo Pillar of the Community United States 740 Posts	Posted 04/14/2015 8:11 pm That last image or one similar I've seen is what had me thinking it was a Retained Cud but now I really see the difference where the design is misaligned. Thanks : ) Report this Post to the Staff
mikediamond Pillar of the Community United States 2739 Posts	Posted 04/16/2015 12:00 pm You'll find more information on Retained Cuds at these two links: http://editions.amospublishing.com/...tained%20cud http://editions.amospublishing.com/...=retained%20 Cud Error coin writer and researcher. Report this Post to the Staff
BlueSolo Pillar of the Community United States 740 Posts	Posted 04/16/2015 4:20 pm Appreciate it Mike, the information you write about error coins is very helpful. I've been curious with one thing about Cuds: Has anyone ever found a Cud with a retained (or not retained) die piece? That is, the piece of the die that broke off, formed the Cud AND got stuck inside the coin with the strike. I'd think that would be a pretty unique error that significantly increases the value of a coin. Do you think this is possible? Edited by BlueSolo 04/16/2015 4:21 pm Report this Post to the Staff
mikediamond Pillar of the Community United States 2739 Posts	Posted 04/16/2015 5:41 pm Such an error does indeed exist: http://editions.amospublishing.com/...ie%20failure Error coin writer and researcher. Report this Post to the Staff
BlueSolo Pillar of the Community United States 740 Posts	Posted 04/16/2015 6:25 pm Wow! Now that is cool.. I need to find a place where I can pick up coin bags. That's where all the odd shaped coins are. Edited by BlueSolo 04/16/2015 6:27 pm Report this Post to the Staff
koinpro Pillar of the Community United States 1781 Posts	Posted 04/17/2015 5:15 pm The interesting thing about Retained Cuds is that not all incorporate a piece of die that has fully broken away from the die body. You can see a an actual die showing this effect here: http://koinpro.tripod.com/Articles/...inedCuds.htm Report this Post to the Staff
mikediamond Pillar of the Community United States 2739 Posts	Posted 04/17/2015 5:19 pm Ken, you echo a point I've made in several of my articles. But the additional evidence you've accumulated is quite helpful. Error coin writer and researcher. Report this Post to the Staff
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