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Morgan That Ends Tomorrow... Your Help / Thoughts

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I dont know why but this common date is speaking to me... from both shoulders if you know what I mean. Thought I would get a consensus about it... Do u like her? Is she undergraded? Is she DMPL? Looks like there might be milky haze in the fields like you see on proof coin? Overall should I buy her? thanks guys!

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I have a strong feeling someone played with the light to make it look like that. it is probably in hand barely semi PL.
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I don't care for those hazy fields.
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if I were to buy it that hit above the arrows which is probably more noticeable in hand would always bother me, not to mention the haze...
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It's lit under circumstances which deliberately highlight the frostiness and dark field contrast. I suspect the obverse is PL/DMPL but not the reverse so it didn't get the nod. That milkiness (not like what we see on Moderns; that problem didn't exist then) could just be a break in the reflectivity or it could be haze. I lean toward the former as it follows a pattern typical of coin lighting setups.

A nice coin and likely graded correctly. It won't be that nice in hand, but it sure might be close. This is a situation very similar to toners - you have to shoot them properly to bring the look out, and some call that "deceptive."

Buy it at typical MS65 price - or whatever your tolerance is there - but don't reach for it. It's not an uncommon example for an 1880-S. I expect booming luster, frosty contrast and maybe reflective fields.
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I say if you like it, go for it, but don't overpay for it like Dave said.
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If she is in your comfort price range, go for it. You are the one that will look at her and love her :)
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Without a doubt, an earlier coin struck with that die.
Yeah, PL obverse minimum.

If he has a return policy if you don't like it, that's always good :-)
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Nice coin. Just yeah, don't overpay please. I agree that lighting was used to exaggerate it. If it really looked like that I think pcgs would have given it at least pl.
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PL/DMPL is a direct function of the laws of physics - how far the surfaces will reflect a given thing. It can't be successfully imaged under all but the most exacting circumstances, and I can't say I've ever seen it done to a provable standard. I know I'm not capable of it. I can clearly show reflectivity, but I can't prove that reflectivity over all of the fields on both faces to an exact distance, which is the standard.
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Thanks guys, I think if I can steal it for around $100+ I'll go for it. I'm in a buying mood so I might be posting some more. BOTLO
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That's an appropriate number if you can do it. I'd be still sniffing at it to about $130 but full stop there. They're common even though this one looks good at the grade.

It went for $87 at Teletrade in 2000 (look up the cert). Quite a statement about coin prices.
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My thoughts exactly SD... I think you're rubbing off on me
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I haven't checked this forum in a while, what was the outcome? Did you get it?
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Nope, I think I had my max at $110. I'd have too look up what it went for though.
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