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Pillar of the Community
Belgium
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one of the last coins I ve bought , a AR grosso of Venice , obv :PE GRADONICO / S M VENETI ,San Marco and doge standing facing ,holding banner between them and the inscription : D / U / X . rev:Christ Pantokrator enthroned facing : IC / XC 20 mm , 2,2 gr , 6 h. Doge Pietro Gradinegro : AD 1289 - 1311 . I have bought this coin because at that moment Venice had the monopoly of trade in the Mediterrean See , was minting the most pure silver coins in Europe and there is a big resemblance with the coins of Constantinople.Is it possible to find more information about these coins on the Internet? Thanks .albert   |
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 United States
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I like this coin type but haven't gotten around to getting any yet. Concentrating on other areas. Very nice coin with excellent details.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Edited by Kamnaskires
04/20/2015 4:08 pm
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United States
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Australia
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Very pleasing coin.
From the pictures it looks quite genuine!
A good well researched general reference to these can be found in Grierson's book:
Coins Of Medieval Europe, publ. by Seaby
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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An excellent coin to say the least.  |
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 Belgium
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thanks for the information.I paid for it : 80 + 10 % : E2,5 freight (I had 4 coins , so 10 : 4 )=90.5 .I have no idea of the prices of this coins , but I think it is not to expensive for this quality.albert
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United States
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Not totally sure on the regular prices on Venice grossos/groshes but I think I did ok by paying $24 shipped for mine, if that helps. Its of Doge Reniero Zeno.  Edited by VisigothKing
04/21/2015 9:07 pm
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Belgium
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That s a very good price ,I think,better than mine,albert
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Serbia (Srbija)
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I always find these Venetian matapans interesting. There are also Serbian medieval coins that are almost identical as these Venetian matapans. I wrote about this before on this forum but here it is again  Dante Alighieri in his book put Serbian king in one of the circles of hel as counterfeiter of coins. In that time (second half of 13 century) Venice blamed Serbia for forging their coins. Its not certain on which Serbian king Dante alluded. Serbian king used Venetian coins as a role model because Venetian coins were famous back then in that part of Europe. Everybody knew their value was stable although some research point out that some Serbian coins had purer silver than Venetian. Serbian coins from that period are not consider as counterfeits because they had clear inscription that they come from Serbia, but they where very similar to Venetians. Title Rex instead of Dux and name of ruler. My collection on Numista page: 7500 different coins and counting... https://en.numista.com/echanges/pro...hp?id=129798 |
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Belgium
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for me there is a great similitude between Venetian , Serbian and Bulgarian 13th century coins .I think there are all inspired by the coins of Constantinople.Now I try to buy some pieces of this different countries to enlarge my collection.Yesterday I had no luck with a lot of 4 Bulgarian 13th cent coins , this evening there is a Serbian coin of Stefan Uros II Milutin (1282-1321).I never heard of this king -like most of us , I think - buth it is a very nice coin.albert
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for me there is a great similitude between Venetian , Serbian and Bulgarian 13th century coins .I think there are all inspired by the coins of Constantinople.Now I try to buy some pieces of this different countries to enlarge my collection.Yesterday I had no luck with a lot of 4 Bulgarian 13th cent coins , this evening there is a Serbian coin of Stefan Uros II Milutin (1282-1321).I never heard of this king -like most of us , I think - buth it is a very nice coin.albert Yes some of them are inspired by Byzantine coins but they are not that common on the market even here. How much were those Bulgarian coins and how much is that Serbian coin? Milutin was a cool  one of my favorite kings. He menaged to succeed his older brother after his "fall of a horse injury". He was married 5 times mostly political marriages. Ones he kidnapped nun from a monastery and married her, and his last wife was only 5 years old. He ruled for almost 40 years (39) and built more than 40 monasteries.  My collection on Numista page: 7500 different coins and counting... https://en.numista.com/echanges/pro...hp?id=129798Edited by mvojnovic
04/25/2015 09:07 am
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United States
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this recent thread inspired me to cross this coin off my list!  Italian States-Venice, Antonio Venier as Doge AR Grosso, Type Three 1394-1399 Venice Mint O: ANTO . VENERIO-. S . M . VENETI . St. Mark and the Doge standing facing, holding pendant flag between them, D / V / X in center field * | * across fields R: . + . TIBI . LAVS-. 7 . GLORIA . Christ, nimbate, enthroned facing, holding book of Gospels 22mm, 2.0g Paolucci 37.3 not quite as nice as the ones pictured before, but a respectable example of the type. it's not quite as blue in hand. |
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Belgium
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it is also a very nice coin for me , I think that ,if this is the average quality,then you have a very nice collection.This grosso is type tree , where can we find more information about this different types ?
Mvojnovic : I paid for the 4 tsar Alexender coins 61,01 = 4 freight , then I bought the Serbia Uros for 38,5 + 3 Byzantine coins of the 11th century for 22,5 + 4 freight for the two last lots ,all in the quality sehr schφn , very fine.albert
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I'm not sure where to find more info albert, I've been looking myself. I used online sources for attribution (like beastcoins mainly for this coin) that didn't explain what the types were. I believe it has to do with the reverse legend. mine was about 32 usd shipped, not cheap but reasonable.
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