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Pillar of the Community
United States
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A few weeks ago I was able strike a deal for this coin with a dealer I have done a lot of business with. He had acquired a few of them at a reasonable price and passed the savings along to me. I had been looking for a few months for decent grade, early, affordable European medieval coins. I started reading about the coinage of the Crusader states and the events and personalities surrounding the various European campaigns in the East. Most people who have even a mild interest in the Medieval European coins probably has a Billon scyphate Trachy of Manual I of the Byzantine Empire. These coins are quite interesting in there design and appearance and quite common to boot. Well I did not get one of those... I saw one of Manny's very good friend Baldwin III the King of Jerusalem. It seems that silver coins of the Crusader states tend to be quite dumpy at this early date, with the exception of Islam inspired gold. It appears quite difficult to find high grade examples of these tiny BI Deniers. I wanted to obtain an example with at least most of the legend and most of the Tower of David. Crusader State Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem Baldwin III (AD 1143-1163) BI Denier 16 mm x 0.87 grams Obv: Tower of David with glacis, circle of large pellets around +De IERVSALEM Rev: Cross Pattee, circle of large pellets around BALDVINVS REX Ref: CCS 15  |
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Pillar of the Community
Serbia (Srbija)
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Very nice coin. How much did you pay for it if its not a secret? :)
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
5155 Posts |
Shipped right around $100. They can be had a tad cheaper but they are usually scrubbed and/ or missing much of the legend and design.
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Moderator
 United States
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I like the Crusader state coins but haven't taken the plunge into them yet. I think because they tend to be expensive and I find the legends very difficult to read. As usual though Anoob is a trend setter around here so who knows one may find it's way into my collection soon. Very nice coin.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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only two comments on that very cool coin? tisk tisk...  NO COINS FOR YOU! Edited by chrsmat71
04/14/2015 9:55 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
5155 Posts |
I know Chris, if it were not for you and Ron, I would have only one response....sad...but it's still an awesome coin that most people sleep on.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I would respond more but I just feel like a fan boy sometimes, especially when I go out and buy a similar coin inspired by the post....
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
701 Posts |
I always enjoy seeing your coins Noob but know nothing about them unfortunately, I only own 1 medieval coin and I acquired that by accident. You don't need smoke blowers to know your coins are appreciated, keep em coming  |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
5155 Posts |
Allranger- Imagine how much your 'inspired' coin can add to the delight of everyone. I personally can't wait to see how and by what you were inspired. Please do share.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Tenbobbit - I nearly spit my coffee on the screen, reading your post. Haha. Thanks bud.
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Pillar of the Community
Spain
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I have some spanish medieval coins but...
They came by "accident", usually as part of bigger lots.
Iīm not interested in them, why?
I donīt know, perhaps their "crude" style after seeing roman coins, the difficult reading of their legends...
In Medieval Europe there was HUNDREDS of small countries that issued coins, you simply canīt afford to collect all of them (In Spain, counting the arab "taifas states", we have more than 50).
I must confess that I donīt pay much attention to the medieval coinage of others countries, sorry.
Is your coin beautiful? Yes, of course!
Is your coin interesting? Yes, of course!
Do I know anything about your coin? Nothing at all
So...
What can I say about it?
"Oh, what a nice coin!", "marvellous", "great"...
I canīt increase the information about the coin so...
I keep silence, but Iīm ALWAYS ready to LEARN about your coin, his history, the circunstances of his issue...
All you can teach us about your coin is always welcome so I must say:
Thanks for posting it!
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Athabert - Wonderful response. I would like to add a Reale of Isabella and Ferdinand to my collection. Its on my list, as well as stuff from the Reconquista. I picked up this Mowahhid Almohad dirham that was traded through out Iberia and North Africa. Almohad Caliphate (Muwahid) Islamic Iberia and North Africa AR Dirham AH 524- 640 (AD 1156- 1272) 13.8 mm x 14.0 mm, 1.40 grams   Edited by Ancientnoob
04/15/2015 9:57 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
4971 Posts |
i recently got one of these as well, I only have a couple islamic coins...but this type made the list pretty early for me.  |
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Pillar of the Community
Spain
629 Posts |
Yes and no...
I must explain myself, these coins were coined by almorads as you says, but was imitated (falsified) by several towns on the southern coast of France, Spain, Italy...
The reason?
In those times silver was overpreciated in northern Africa so if you was going to trade with the moors it was useful to carry silver. This was step 1.(carrying silver as bullion).
But when you arrived to Tunisia, Argel or other city you must pay a tax to change your silver for coins; step two was to carry falsified silver coins to trade (the tax for coining your silver was lower in Europe).
Finally, step three was to debase the silver of your silver fake coins to save money...
So...
You cannot be sure, your "islamic" coins could be made in an european city as Barcelona, Marseille, Toulon...
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Pillar of the Community
Spain
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Ancientnood, I will take a photograph of my "Catholic kings" real and post it...
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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athalbert, I was trying to figure out if my coin or AN's was one of the "millares" ...i didn't think so but was not certain. I was going by this guys page.. http://coins.alif.fr/Muwahhid/Muwahhid.htmlit seems like they are a bit larger and lighter, and tend to have the name of mohammad misspelled. |
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Posted 04/13/2015 08:21 am
